I think it's quite clear that all American NS clans hack. I've been in 4 and I hax so much it isn't funny. CD sucks cause it finds my hacks and then how am I supposed to win?!
Actually - CD screws up aspects of the game ( its proven! ) and I prefer to play vanilla NS. Besides, why would anyone in a clan hack? It's easy to spot and with steam coming up, hacks will be a thing of the past. So yeah, if you're going to think everyone hacks, then fine - use it. But I avoid it at all costs.
I mean, you can't have it on during CAL, so what is the point?
<!--QuoteBegin--InfraRed+Sep 28 2003, 01:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (InfraRed @ Sep 28 2003, 01:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for myself, I dont cheat in NS. I cheat in CS, I rage which means I enjoy **** people off because I hate the game and I hate the community. I go into a server with every exploit, script and hack there is and just ruin everyones fun. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, i dont like CS musch, i played it about 2 times and it hasnt catched me on, but what you are doing is bad. The CS community is so bad because of people like YOU.
To the CD thingy, i use HL ingame browser, so i created a very simple batch file that launches both CD and HL at once so i have it always running when i start HL. Never had any problems with it.
<!--QuoteBegin--Diskord+Sep 28 2003, 01:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diskord @ Sep 28 2003, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually - CD screws up aspects of the game ( its proven! ) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh? Can i ask HOW it screws aspects of the game? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--XCan+Sep 28 2003, 06:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XCan @ Sep 28 2003, 06:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Question: Does VAC care about NS at all? ATM VAC only updates(seldom) for CS-cheats. DoD is basicly pretty much ignored. Will VAC care about NS? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Reading the thread helps.
NS doesn't support VAC at the moment, it will probably once 2.1 is released. That's why you can leave cheating-death running the background no matter what NS server you join, as long is its only NS.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zerogreat+Sep 28 2003, 09:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zerogreat @ Sep 28 2003, 09:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Diskord+Sep 28 2003, 01:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diskord @ Sep 28 2003, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually - CD screws up aspects of the game ( its proven! ) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh? Can i ask HOW it screws aspects of the game? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Right after you capitalize that <b>I</b> buddy. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Seriously, I too wonder what CD is "screwing up" so to speak. Do you mean it is buggy and kicking you out of games, or what? I've never had problems with it. Someone else said this earlier, and I would like to repeat it: Go to <a href='http://se1.kr.unitedadmins.com/' target='_blank'>United Admins.com</a> to work out any technical problems you might have.
BTW What is it with all these people with swirling avatars? Are they <i>trying</i> to hypnotize me? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Cheating Death is crap, they have hacks to counter a new version of CD within minutes of its release. I would know because they always have these hacks on the site where i download cracks for my games
<!--QuoteBegin--Diskord+Sep 28 2003, 09:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diskord @ Sep 28 2003, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I mean, you can't have it on during CAL, so what is the point? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh. That will change. VERY soon I hope.
There was a pool recently on whether or not CAL should use anti-cheat measures, it won at 80%, 10% said no and the other 10% said they don't care.
If you would like to see further proof of why CAL-NS might be usuing C-D soon, just check <a href='http://forums.caleague.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=31;t=000183' target='_blank'>this out.</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--EvulAL+Sep 27 2003, 06:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EvulAL @ Sep 27 2003, 06:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Right imm in a european clan and we have been wanting to play american clans 1 map on ours and 1 map on theirs. when they join our server they go can u tuen cd off. if we say no they go ok "match off". About 6 clans have done this to us. Could this be because they CHEAT? well i dont know. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->. I really wanna play em can anyone explain to me why! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> [sarcasm]
Oh no, it's not cause they cheat. No way, nope.
[/sarcasm]
it's great of you to demand that you leave CD on, and it's great that you dont conciliate with these obnoxious american children, very nice work.
<!--QuoteBegin--wRaven+Sep 27 2003, 06:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wRaven @ Sep 27 2003, 06:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Sep 27 2003, 06:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Sep 27 2003, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Its not because we cheat- its because CD is so f***ing annoying. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That is just idiotic.
"OMG! I D0N'T CH3@t! CD IS T00 h4RD3 to OP3N N00B! T3H 500Kb F1L3 i5 t0o BiG 4 m3 t0 D0nLO@D!" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> you nailed it.
there isnt a single solitary reason.
if you're playing games competetively, you HAVE to have a decent comp, and Cheating Death has a memory footprint of <b>340 k</b> there is not ONE EXCUSE, EVERYONE with an OUNCE of common sense realizes exactly why they would act so harshly as to CANCEL A MATCH at the sight of cheating death
<!--QuoteBegin--BrigadierWolf+Sep 27 2003, 06:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BrigadierWolf @ Sep 27 2003, 06:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I see no reason to run CD. What I dont understand is why so many people make a big deal about people who dont run it "OMG, YOU DONT HAVE CD, YOUR USING HAX".. No. Grow a brain. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> you're, not "YOUR."
kind of obvious why you find it difficult to understand what the big deal is. 500kb download. 400kb memory. Wow, that is one hell of a downlaod/resource hog!
the thing stops just about all of the common publicly downloadable wallhacks and aimbots. THAT IS WHY THEY MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT.
<!--QuoteBegin--Diskord+Sep 28 2003, 09:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diskord @ Sep 28 2003, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think it's quite clear that all American NS clans hack. I've been in 4 and I hax so much it isn't funny. CD sucks cause it finds my hacks and then how am I supposed to win?!
Actually - CD screws up aspects of the game ( its proven! ) and I prefer to play vanilla NS. Besides, why would anyone in a clan hack? It's easy to spot and with steam coming up, hacks will be a thing of the past. So yeah, if you're going to think everyone hacks, then fine - use it. But I avoid it at all costs.
I mean, you can't have it on during CAL, so what is the point?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That seems like a very poorly thought out response. Firstly, a bit of social commentary: Perhaps you've been in 4 different clans due to your wonderful attitude?
Now, on with the meat of your post:
"CD screws up aspects of the game (its proven!)" I'd just like to point out that if software is written correctly and you are using it on a compatible machine, the only way for something to <i>screw up</i> is user error. Assuming that Cheating Death is written correctly and you are using it correctly, perhaps there is some sort of compatibility issue with your machine? Refer to Cheating Death's website and your computer documentation and I'm 100% positive that a remedy for your problem exists. I'd also like to point out that right now Steam <i>screws up</i> parts of NS, but its only a mere compatibility issue that can be fixed.
"why would anyone in a clan hack?" That is a horribly naive question. Why does anybody do something that the rest of us perceive to be wrong? Why do Olympic athletes take performance enhancing drugs? Why was Sammy Sosa using a corked bat? I don't think we have the capabalities to answer that on these forums, and if we did, we'd have the greatest philosopher ever in our midst. My personal answer to the question would be: <i>Because they are tempted by being the best.</i>
"Its easy to spot and with steam coming up, hacks will be a thing of the past." This is quite naive as well. While hacks such as speed, aim bots, etc may give us easily identifiable visual cues, others like wall hacks, ESP etc don't really give us much to work with. Steam isn't the end-all solution to anti-cheat. The online community needs to remain vigilant. Leaving anti-cheat in the hands of programmers sitting in the bowels of Valve’s offices doesn't seem that appealing to me. The educated have always realized that we can't just sit back and let others do a half-job. If you want a system that works, you have to do some hard work to make it a reality.
Steam is certainly going to stop the types of folks that don't know what an if statement is. These guys just download a hack written by somebody else and use it. Folks that know how to program will find ways around Steam's methods. This is and will always be the case.
"if you're going to think everyone hacks" Use of CD doesn't indicate that you're an undereducated heathen who flings hacking accusations at everybody. That’s just a flawed stereotype.
"you can't have it on during CAL, so what is the point?" I'd like to direct you to a recent CAL poll were about 70% of respondents voted that they'd prefer some sort of anti-cheat system to be implemented in CAL. Once I find the exact results from the CAL admins, I'll be sure to post them here for your enjoyment.
<!--QuoteBegin--Tyrain+Sep 27 2003, 07:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tyrain @ Sep 27 2003, 07:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The best reason to run CD before Steam was that you could play on nonVAC servers if you're banned for no reason. I hate that damn VAC. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeh, th4t stup1d V4C bannehd my CD KEYZ FRUM USING OGC 2.6 OMG STUPID V4C!!111111
Seriously though, despite the fact that I agree with you Kann, is the whole " <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> " attitude really necessary?
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Actually - CD screws up aspects of the game ( its proven! ) and I prefer to play vanilla NS. Besides, why would anyone in a clan hack? It's easy to spot and with steam coming up, hacks will be a thing of the past. So yeah, if you're going to think everyone hacks, then fine - use it. But I avoid it at all costs.
I mean, you can't have it on during CAL, so what is the point?
No CD = nubs
Well, i dont like CS musch, i played it about 2 times and it hasnt catched me on, but what you are doing is bad. The CS community is so bad because of people like YOU.
To the CD thingy, i use HL ingame browser, so i created a very simple batch file that launches both CD and HL at once so i have it always running when i start HL. Never had any problems with it.
Uh? Can i ask HOW it screws aspects of the game? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Reading the thread helps.
NS doesn't support VAC at the moment, it will probably once 2.1 is released. That's why you can leave cheating-death running the background no matter what NS server you join, as long is its only NS.
Uh? Can i ask HOW it screws aspects of the game? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Right after you capitalize that <b>I</b> buddy. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Seriously, I too wonder what CD is "screwing up" so to speak. Do you mean it is buggy and kicking you out of games, or what? I've never had problems with it. Someone else said this earlier, and I would like to repeat it: Go to <a href='http://se1.kr.unitedadmins.com/' target='_blank'>United Admins.com</a> to work out any technical problems you might have.
BTW What is it with all these people with swirling avatars? Are they <i>trying</i> to hypnotize me? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
VAC= ok program
Not having it be automatic...evil.
Oh. That will change. VERY soon I hope.
There was a pool recently on whether or not CAL should use anti-cheat measures, it won at 80%, 10% said no and the other 10% said they don't care.
If you would like to see further proof of why CAL-NS might be usuing C-D soon, just check <a href='http://forums.caleague.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=31;t=000183' target='_blank'>this out.</a>
[sarcasm]
Oh no, it's not cause they cheat. No way, nope.
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it's great of you to demand that you leave CD on, and it's great
that you dont conciliate with these obnoxious american children,
very nice work.
That is just idiotic.
"OMG! I D0N'T CH3@t! CD IS T00 h4RD3 to OP3N N00B! T3H 500Kb F1L3 i5 t0o BiG 4 m3 t0 D0nLO@D!"
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
you nailed it.
there isnt a single solitary reason.
if you're playing games competetively, you HAVE to have a
decent comp, and Cheating Death has a memory footprint
of <b>340 k</b> there is not ONE EXCUSE, EVERYONE with
an OUNCE of common sense realizes exactly why they
would act so harshly as to CANCEL A MATCH at the sight
of cheating death
you're, not "YOUR."
kind of obvious why you find it difficult to understand what the
big deal is. 500kb download. 400kb memory. Wow, that is
one hell of a downlaod/resource hog!
the thing stops just about all of the common publicly downloadable
wallhacks and aimbots. THAT IS WHY THEY MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT.
Actually - CD screws up aspects of the game ( its proven! ) and I prefer to play vanilla NS. Besides, why would anyone in a clan hack? It's easy to spot and with steam coming up, hacks will be a thing of the past. So yeah, if you're going to think everyone hacks, then fine - use it. But I avoid it at all costs.
I mean, you can't have it on during CAL, so what is the point?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That seems like a very poorly thought out response.
Firstly, a bit of social commentary: Perhaps you've been in 4 different clans due to your wonderful attitude?
Now, on with the meat of your post:
"CD screws up aspects of the game (its proven!)"
I'd just like to point out that if software is written correctly and you are using it on a compatible machine, the only way for something to <i>screw up</i> is user error. Assuming that Cheating Death is written correctly and you are using it correctly, perhaps there is some sort of compatibility issue with your machine? Refer to Cheating Death's website and your computer documentation and I'm 100% positive that a remedy for your problem exists. I'd also like to point out that right now Steam <i>screws up</i> parts of NS, but its only a mere compatibility issue that can be fixed.
"why would anyone in a clan hack?"
That is a horribly naive question. Why does anybody do something that the rest of us perceive to be wrong? Why do Olympic athletes take performance enhancing drugs? Why was Sammy Sosa using a corked bat? I don't think we have the capabalities to answer that on these forums, and if we did, we'd have the greatest philosopher ever in our midst. My personal answer to the question would be:
<i>Because they are tempted by being the best.</i>
"Its easy to spot and with steam coming up, hacks will be a thing of the past."
This is quite naive as well. While hacks such as speed, aim bots, etc may give us easily identifiable visual cues, others like wall hacks, ESP etc don't really give us much to work with. Steam isn't the end-all solution to anti-cheat. The online community needs to remain vigilant. Leaving anti-cheat in the hands of programmers sitting in the bowels of Valve’s offices doesn't seem that appealing to me. The educated have always realized that we can't just sit back and let others do a half-job. If you want a system that works, you have to do some hard work to make it a reality.
Steam is certainly going to stop the types of folks that don't know what an if statement is. These guys just download a hack written by somebody else and use it.
Folks that know how to program will find ways around Steam's methods. This is and will always be the case.
"if you're going to think everyone hacks"
Use of CD doesn't indicate that you're an undereducated heathen who flings hacking accusations at everybody. That’s just a flawed stereotype.
"you can't have it on during CAL, so what is the point?"
I'd like to direct you to a recent CAL poll were about 70% of respondents voted that they'd prefer some sort of anti-cheat system to be implemented in CAL. Once I find the exact results from the CAL admins, I'll be sure to post them here for your enjoyment.
Thank you sir.
yeh, th4t stup1d V4C bannehd my CD KEYZ FRUM USING OGC 2.6 OMG STUPID V4C!!111111
one hell of a downlaod/resource hog!
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Seriously though, despite the fact that I agree with you Kann, is the whole " <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> " attitude really necessary?
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