Disturbing Trends

Lt_WarhoundLt_Warhound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7654Members
More and more, I'm seeing stunts like CC walls being accepted and tolerated. Once it was clear, cut&dry, dropping CCs to block passage was not done, period.

Misuse of CCs, electrifying things (like an entire marine base) by having the buildings touch a electrified TF/RT, building PGs through walls or even in them, where they can't be killed, that's the sort of trash I'm seeing. Can't tell you how many times I've seen players trying to shoot/bite through walls.

I don't like it. I don't like it even when I'm a marine, and my commander is the one abusing these things for an additional edge.

When I do find that sort of garbage going on, I check with the server admins. When I find they tolerate it, I don't bother returning to that server again.

Pity, though, I 'm running out of large low-ping servers I'm willing to play on.

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  • TyphonTyphon Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1899Members
    I will agree that most of the things you mentioned are exploits. However, building things close together to 'share' electricity I dont consider an exploit at all. There are large disadvantages to doing such a thing, namely when gorges get bile bomb your structures go down 10x faster.

    Also, I havent seen the increase in exploitation that you've seen, I very very rarely see it on any server I play on.
  • n4s7yn4s7y Join Date: 2003-04-18 Member: 15627Members
    edited September 2003
    How about we don't judge peoples' playing skills based on their h4xing expl0i7s but by their playing skill? Let's just make this clear: what you believe to be an exploit might not be one to someone else, especially on the subject of shared electricity. If that is "trash," then so are all the top clans who do the same thing.

    More importantly, there are already a million threads complaining about the same thing. The response has always been the same: Stop whining and play the game. If you don't like it -- don't play.

    Oh, and I rarely seen comm chair dropping. I don't know what kinda servers you play on, but such "exploits" are certainly not a growing trend where I hang out. If the server admins tolerate it, it's their server. They don't care if you never show up again, and are probably grateful for it.

    I'm sorry if I appear rude, but I for one am tired of all the threads complaining of this crap. It's not just on the forums -- I get accused of exploiting because I set my gamma to a high level. I've been called a f-ing nub because I have my resolution set to 512x400. The only disturbing trend I've noticed is how people are so strongheaded that they can't accept a different play style just because Flayra hasn't directly stated that such and such isn't exploiting.
  • TyrNemesisTyrNemesis trigger_CUT! Join Date: 2003-09-17 Member: 20942Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm sorry if I appear rude, but I for one am tired of all the threads complaining of this crap. It's not just on the forums -- I get accused of exploiting because I set my gamma to a high level. I've been called a f-ing nub because I have my resolution set to 512x400. The only disturbing trend I've noticed is how people are so strongheaded that they can't accept a different play style just because Flayra hasn't directly stated that such and such isn't exploiting. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Just out of curiousity, why do you play with high gamma and low resolution? Is there a benefit?
  • lilbadwolflilbadwolf Join Date: 2003-01-21 Member: 12542Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--TyrNemesis^+Sep 19 2003, 03:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TyrNemesis^ @ Sep 19 2003, 03:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm sorry if I appear rude, but I for one am tired of all the threads complaining of this crap. It's not just on the forums -- I get accused of exploiting because I set my gamma to a high level. I've been called a f-ing nub because I have my resolution set to 512x400. The only disturbing trend I've noticed is how people are so strongheaded that they can't accept a different play style just because Flayra hasn't directly stated that such and such isn't exploiting. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Just out of curiousity, why do you play with high gamma and low resolution? Is there a benefit?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well you get better fps with lower resolution, and when you are "h4xing" the gamma you can see better in the dark and its much easier to notice a cloaked alien. I dont think that is a exploit, its just lame.
  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    thats what server rules admins and vote kicks are for.
  • Kar-aKKar-aK Join Date: 2003-06-13 Member: 17335Members
    gamma and resolution is purly client side and no ammount of server commands will be able to change this. Im pretty sure resolution can't be changed with execalls, and as for gamma, that is absolutly impossible to control. Especially with external programs which run on the client such as powerstrip.

    - Kar
  • gc_phillehgc_philleh Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18898Members
    In game gamma can be changed with an execall but with an external program it wouldnt make a substantial difference.
    Comes down to personal choice really. I used to play with high gamma, now i dont as id rather play the game looking nice and playing well than trying to be the best i can at the expense of my enjoyment.
  • UKchaosUKchaos Join Date: 2002-08-10 Member: 1132Members
    My video card isnt effected at all by the gamma controls. I have to use the windows control panel.
  • zebFishzebFish Join Date: 2003-08-15 Member: 19760Members
  • gc_phillehgc_philleh Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18898Members
    Possibly stating the obvious but it doesnt (or didnt in 1.x not sure about 2) work in the readyroom. I had this problem, having tweaked my config from notepad i joined a game only to see no change in gamma, it took me a while before i gave up and just joined a team, at which point it worked <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RoCkIn_RiCkYRoCkIn_RiCkY Join Date: 2003-08-28 Member: 20306Members
    The admins are the only ones who can stop people from behaving in a certain way. You can't stop people building in walls or anything else. I dislike people who start whining about what is "lame" and what isn't, who has the right to tell people how to play the game? Either the admins give out a warning, or just leave the server. Additionally the devs will decide whether to include any features in the next patch.

    Yesterday the marines had a nice little turret farm just outside our hive. I escorted a gorge there to trash the gate and he blocked the PG with an offence chamber. That made a load of marines start whining and crying... yet I see lots of other dirty tactics used by marines so I don't complain. I notice a lot of CC dropping and other objects placed in the way of offence chambers, but I simply learnt to play with it and accept that they're a part of the game. Both teams can play "dirty", so live with it.
  • MintmanMintman Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16866Members
    I've banned quite a few people on our servers for CC laming. Building through walls I will kick, maybe temp ban with a warning. Electricity sharing I see as completely viable, however. This is because one little gorgy can then hit you entire base with one bile bomb later on, it it pretty strong in the early game, but puts you at a disadvantage later on. Kinda like dropping sensory first <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • gc_phillehgc_philleh Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18898Members
    Generally agree with mintman, i dont kick or ban for building close together, building outside the map will be told to recycle and leave the area or i will boot the comm. I dont like exploiting, basically doing something that wasnt intended i see as exploiting and its something i am more than happy to remove players for if they persistantly offend.
    I do disagree about sitting on phases, if i see anyone doing that they get a warning and then kicked if they do it again, i consider that an exploit and a very powerfull and annoying one at that.
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    i dont see why changing the resolution could be considered Lame. If he wants to run with numbers the size of his head, thats fine by me. All the FPS related things are going out the window, so he wont get any advantage over somebody who runs at 1024*768.

    Gamma is a tricky one. jacked-up gamma looks crap, so you either play with high gamma which looks crap but you can see better, or oyu play with normal gamma which looks good and you have to look harder to see the skulk in the corner. When i was a gamma changer, i found a proggy to change the gamma depending on which keys i pressed. All i would have to do then was to press F7 when entering a dark area and press F8 when going into a normal area. best of both worlds you might say. The program is still installed, but i deleted all the shortcuts and cant remember what it was called or where i installed it, so i cant use it. I sometimes wonder though, do i want to use it?
  • gc_phillehgc_philleh Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18898Members
    I made a basic NS script to alternate between several set brightness and gamma levels, tho i found it just got annoying and i felt cheap with high gamma <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Roger_DodgerRoger_Dodger Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14392Members
    I kinda figured sharing elec was pretty viable aswell... ah well.

    I also thought building on a pg and sitting on one was considered bad taste but not an exploit. Go figure.. I kinda thought if u mined ur pg's on top then ppl will end up dead when they go for the big sit. Also a few turrets nearby would also help. 5 mines on a pg and a few turrets nearby would even take care of an onos.

    - RD
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    2.01e
    thats all I have to say.
    Its the most balanced and fair and even when so called "dirtty" tactics are used, there isn't a sure 1 sided wining team!
  • TUNA_AnomayTUNA_Anomay Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21005Members
    Trade a sexy 1024x768 with low gamma for an ugly 640x480 with high gamma just for an edge? No way <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • elchinesetouristelchinesetourist Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17775Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Z.X. Bogglesteinsky+Sep 19 2003, 07:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Z.X. Bogglesteinsky @ Sep 19 2003, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> When i was a gamma changer, i found a proggy to change the gamma depending on which keys i pressed. All i would have to do then was to press F7 when entering a dark area and press F8 when going into a normal area. best of both worlds you might say. The program is still installed, but i deleted all the shortcuts and cant remember what it was called or where i installed it, so i cant use it. I sometimes wonder though, <b>do i want to use it?</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yes.

    put that fancy marine visor to good use
  • The_Real_QuasarThe_Real_Quasar Has the I.Q. of 12,000 P.E. Teachers Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9998Members
    How about a positively gorgeous 1600x1200 with perfect gamma? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    And to me, uber high gamma, CC blocking and putting pie crumbs on the floor to impede onos progress are all exploits.
  • FunkyFungusFunkyFungus Join Date: 2003-09-09 Member: 20691Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--The Real Quasar+Sep 19 2003, 10:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (The Real Quasar @ Sep 19 2003, 10:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How about a positively gorgeous 1600x1200 with perfect gamma? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    And to me, uber high gamma, CC blocking and putting pie crumbs on the floor to impede onos progress are all exploits. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    thats the ticket <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • n4s7yn4s7y Join Date: 2003-04-18 Member: 15627Members
    Just to clear things up...

    I get 20fps firefights in 640x480, and I can't see at all when someone turns on their flashlight or phasegate.
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    Building through thin walls is an exploit because it wasn't intended to happen.

    Sharing electricity is by no means even close to being an exploit

    2.01 final... PG blocking is out....

    High gamma or low resolution cannot POSSIBLY be an exploit since it's built into the friggin game engine.

    CC blocking is lame but is by no means an exploit. It's on the same token as med spamming, if they have the res to do it, you're screwed anyways.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    High gamma and low resolution are built into the HL engine, not NS. People have different computers, and some people (like me) have to use low resolution to get a semi-decent fps (30fps at the highest when I run through an empty hallway), so this is perfectly fine, with fps-dependence removed. However, gamma settings should not be screwed with. That just gives a person an unfair advantage.
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    high gamma was specifically allowed to stay in there when NS was released. Notice the picture used is bast, feedwater hive........ Yeah, thought so.......
  • AmelekAmelek Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16265Members
    As far as I am concerned ... the only actions that I consider as exploits are those cited by CAL. Currently there are only 4 CAL exploits ... building outside the map, blocking phase gates with structures, blocking ips with structures, and attacking through thin textures.

    So, according to CAL, CC spamming is legal. I personally have no problem with it, because if the marines can afford to drop enough CC's to make a wall then they have decisively won the RES game and almost deserve the win. Dropping 1 or possibly 2 CC's can very well block an onos ... which I have absolutely no problem with for 2 reasons. It does not prevent the onos from moving at all, only at getting past a single bottleneck. So, either the onos can destroy it, go around it, or wait for some smart marines to flank it. Secondly, the onos is the alien equivalent to the tank ... and humans have been building tank barriers since WW1.
  • StewieStewie Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18795Members
    I don't really mind people laming around me, I just play ... with my crappy computer with a crappy monitor that requires me to get external programs to get a decent gamma and brightness in most games ...
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