And On My 5th Day...

DarkFrost · September 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">of mapping</div> a far to small marine start i know.

edit, i apologize for the picture sizes, stuck on ms paint <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>, also this is just me messing about to see what i can do, but please tell me where i can improve, thanks

DarkFrost · September 2003

looking up to marine start, (at the top on the right)

DarkFrost · September 2003

and that corridor the 2nd pic is taken from

HKK · September 2003

Maybe a little more detail on the walls? i dunno the names im not a mapper but it looks nice.

WarpZone · September 2003

Good, solid construction work. Now try adding a little bit more variety... maybe make the corridors different sizes and lengths. Now it needs detail! Add steps, cargo, machines, pipes, computers, wires, gratings, pits, hatches, vents, infestation, terminals, displays, chairs, supports, etc. Try to provide a place for sneaky skulks to hide every few feet- scattered debris and machines that were added after the station was designed add atmosphere, differentiate one room from the next, and provide cover and hiding places during a fight.

RPG_Jssmfulhud · September 2003

If that is your 5th day of mapping... Good work! Carry on and make those details! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

DarkFrost · September 2003

Yes this is early morning on my 6th day now <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> my mate dux^ (a clan mate) Talked me thro all the basics of construction and lighting, and i went from there, Ok next on the agenda is all that cover warpzone spoke about.

Oh and a big thank you to the creators of v_wad and ns_remix, i love those texture sets <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

DarkATi · September 2003

Looks fantastic, you are far ahead of most people on their 5th day! You are a "natural".

~ DarkATi

DarkFrost · September 2003

here is some nice box stacks as cover <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

DarkFrost · September 2003

This is the start of one of the alien sectors, that ceiling is solid except the hole, something that again took me a while to work out how to do <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

SkinnY · September 2003

looking good, keep up the good work <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

but by god i swear i'll hurt you if you make it a fun map.... :|

DarkFrost · September 2003

fun maps are ironically not fun <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

keep your mind at ease, i dislike fun maps

Machiavelli · September 2003

Looks good so far. The only problem I see is a clashing of texture themes in the hallways by marine start. Marine start and the hallway by it uses a metal texture theme, while the hallway that cuts into it at a 90 degree angle uses a lab texture set. Both look good, but pick one and stay with it. Or, if you must have both, give more of a transition between the two. Like a door way or big vent.

You also may want to scale up the textures on the floor and roof in marine spawn. Also, that wall looks stretched. You should make sure its X value is the same as its Y value. I know that will cause the supports to line up, and I can tell you spent some time lining them up, but you can always make the suports be off the wall. It would probably have a better effect since it would add some depth and variation to the wall.

Keep up the good work, if this is only your 6th day, you should have about 6 months and 24 days of work left :-P

Kar-aK · September 2003

Goos start.

Was just going to tell you to ask dux for some tips, but you already have <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>
I wish dux would finish his map though. It could easily become an official i think <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

- Kar

DarkFrost · September 2003

not seen his map yet, but from his other work, well, yes, i believe it could be an official.

DarkFrost · September 2003

Remake of the corridor outside marine start (plan on making marine start bigger once i get this, the left, of the map finnished)

DarkFrost · September 2003

New room, that door is the first of the airlocks into the "infected" ship at the stations dock.

DarkFrost · September 2003

Will be adding pipes and more lighting to this room later

DarkFrost · September 2003

Added This door to the corridor that access' the far left hive (under construction)

DarkFrost · September 2003

Just another shot to show that floor is solid, appart from the hole (one way trafic for skulks tho, they just cant get back up there although they will with leap)

DarkFrost · September 2003

The textures are far from final, I cant seem to find the combination i want at the moment, also, the wads in the "wad release" topic and the was in the ns directory, are open for use to the public? It is ok that i use them isnt it?

wRaven · September 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkFrost @ Sep 18 2003, 03:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> New room, that door is the first of the airlocks into the "infected" ship at the stations dock.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
From a practical stand point, this looks very good, but for immersion and gameplay, it seems to want something more.

G4B2SWrath · September 2003

Only 6 days of mapping yielding great results,
Not making a "fun" map,
Showing nice non-geocities screenshots and asking nicely for help and hints,

Folks I think we have a winner!!!!

All I have to say is watch your crate useage! Friends don't let friends make ns maps like cs maps, hehehe. Awsome stuff otherwise.

FANoelson · September 2003

nice work! keep trying to get better. im sure you'll end up with a great level just remember gameplay before looks <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

DarkFrost · September 2003

Thanks guys <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

ATM i am working on connecting the two main parts i have, i have it all there now, but am playing about with what texture to use, I needed a rest from mapping today with only sleep inbetween sessions my brain was begining to get leaks <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

my wpoly counts just now range from 85 to 400ish, i am also just learning the info_mapinfo and info_location entities.

epoly counts are irrelevant arent they? its not like im putting a double res in a hive room, or having all hives together, so does it matter?

As for the crates, the big room that i am using atm to connect the map is called "Docking Pilon 1" (see i learnt info_location <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>) and has some crates in it, as it would be a goods transfer point also, but from now on my cover will mainly be from pipes or the such.

Thanks for the encouragement guys <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

FANoelson · September 2003

recommended reads for noobs <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> first two are just useful last one is the most important. i'm sure there are more but these are all i could think of off of the top of my head.

hint brushes:
<a href='http://collective.valve-erc.com/index.php?doc=1043477348-95410300' target='_blank'>http://collective.valve-erc.com/index.php?...477348-95410300</a>
probably wont use them in your map but its nice to know

embedding textures into a map:
<a href='http://collective.valve-erc.com/index.php?doc=1015283010-58181000' target='_blank'>http://collective.valve-erc.com/index.php?...283010-58181000</a>
nice if you use more than just the standard ns.wad

reducing polygon counts (and rspeeds)
<a href='http://collective.valve-erc.com/index.php?go=polygon_reduction_1' target='_blank'>http://collective.valve-erc.com/index.php?...gon_reduction_1</a>
thats the one you NEED to read. it should greatly improve the r_speeds in your map.

looking around collective.valve-erc.com wouldn't hurt either. you can ask them generic questions about mapping in the forums. good luck!

DarkFrost · September 2003

To reduce r_speeds i added this second corner at the stairs. This is because with gl_wireframe 2 running i could see ALOT of the next room from marine start.

DarkFrost · September 2003

Added the red light to mainly see how it would look.

DarkFrost · September 2003

"Docking Pylon 1" The textures are space filling atm, i havent decided what ones to use in this area, will also add more lighting, and a couple of vents.

DarkFrost · September 2003

As I said i would, ive added some detail to this room, at some point im going to rebuild this area, as in commander view it looks really strange (the electric arcs are visible outside the map area, i think i know what i did wrong.

absentic · September 2003

looking good

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