Give The Bile Bomb Back To The Fade

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• Tresth Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5602Members, Constellation

  September 2003 edited September 2003

  Or not.

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• Redford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester

  September 2003

  Caption: How not to make an intellegent discussion over a feature.

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• Tyrain Join Date: 2003-01-03 Member: 11746Members

  September 2003

  I think the only usable weapon on hive 2 is gorge BB. So why change it?

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• Snidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members

  September 2003

  Red text and overuse of smilies does not a solid argument make.
  
  Gorgey is now both a builder and a support unit. Get over it.

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• NeutroniC Join Date: 2003-06-17 Member: 17421Members

  September 2003

  I think bile bomb is fine now.
  
  It's cheap way to destroy turret farms.
  Bile bomb is "alien siege cannon".
  
  Siege cannon costs 15+15+15 resources.
  
  Bile bomb costs 35+10 resources.
  
  
  It will be unbalanced if Bile bomb is fade feature.
  <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> costs 10 RP.
  <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> costs 50 RP.

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• Ironwolf Join Date: 2003-05-19 Member: 16504Members

  September 2003

  protect the Gorge play as a Team and he is useful.
  /me pets <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo-->

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• KI6 Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3228Members

  September 2003

  And here's another vote against that idea.
  
  Gorge bilebomb is fine. Learn to use teamwork. I've been a gorge and knocked several structures out (I laugh at poorly protected turret factories now) with the help of ONE lerk thanks to umbra.

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• RaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members

  September 2003 edited September 2003

  <!--QuoteBegin--Bjorn+Sep 13 2003, 03:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bjorn @ Sep 13 2003, 03:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> do you think the change is correct? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  Yes.In fact the Fade was too overpowered with Bilebomb,and it was a base wrecker
  
  Now we can have cheap base wreckers since marines can get sieges off the bat anyway

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• sk84zer0 Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17478Members

  September 2003

  Yes teamwork is everything in this game.

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• Cereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members

  September 2003

  It's not that the fade was overpowered with bilebomb. Remember, it was a hive 3 weapon back then and not abusely powerful. Fade was overpowered because of hive 1 acid rocket.

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• Nemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation

  September 2003

  Seeing that you assume BB doesn't do any damage, I assume you don't know it's strictly an anti-structure weapon now. I think the others made the point that it is quite useful as such.

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• Aegeri Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13486Members

  September 2003

  <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Sep 13 2003, 05:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Sep 13 2003, 05:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Seeing that you assume BB doesn't do any damage, I assume you don't know it's strictly an anti-structure weapon now. I think the others made the point that it is quite useful as such. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
  Except it's bugged in 2.01e and doesn't do damage to anything, even buildings if you can't see the structure <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

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• HKK Join Date: 2003-05-19 Member: 16489Members

  September 2003 edited September 2003

  A few movements next to you and you can take a whole base out, fade was way too powerful with it.

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• SuB AusNS Forum Admin Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13723Members

  September 2003

  All I have to say is... sif.

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• oOtreOo Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14977Members

  September 2003

  Do dont remobe bile from gorg! .. Fade is a hit and run and gorg is support 2,,01 is perfect considering that.. that those creatures actually match its class.. and it makes the game better and more deverse..

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• Pyroclasm_Inferno Join Date: 2003-05-06 Member: 16098Members

  September 2003

  gorge not suck with bile bomd because when gorg is alone searching empty rt places and gorge found 1 but marine rt gorge can easily destroy it.... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

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• lolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members

  September 2003

  <!--QuoteBegin--Tyrain+Sep 13 2003, 10:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tyrain @ Sep 13 2003, 10:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think the only usable weapon on hive 2 is gorge BB. So why change it?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  Are you serious? Leap, umbra, metabolize and stomp are useless you say? You must be kidding.
  
  Compare the gorge to siege units in RTS games, like Warcraft III: While the siege units are devastating to buildings, they are vulnerable against other units and need protection if they're going up against buildings being protected by players. Nobody has ever complained that a meat wagon can't fight footmen effectively.

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• MrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation

  September 2003

  Nah, it's good now.
  
  And I just love shifty eyes. Oh yes.

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• Zel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members

  September 2003

  <!--QuoteBegin--Aegeri+Sep 13 2003, 06:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aegeri @ Sep 13 2003, 06:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Sep 13 2003, 05:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Sep 13 2003, 05:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Seeing that you assume BB doesn't do any damage, I assume you don't know it's strictly an anti-structure weapon now. I think the others made the point that it is quite useful as such. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  Except it's bugged in 2.01e and doesn't do damage to anything, even buildings if you can't see the structure <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
  yes lets talk about this instead.
  
  i was in comp core vent and wanted to teach the mariens a lesson for relocating around the res node there.
  
  foom foom foom foom. foom foom foom foom. no damage?!
  
  it was horrible! and i could see the structures, because of the angle of the vent i HAD to be looking downand seeing them. i sure hope the spotting code isnt as darn buggy as sieges spotting code. in any event i had wasted about 5 minutes, till the rines started laughing at me.
  
  so i kamikazed down into their base, spammed oc's and shot about 5 BB till i died. that time they were doing damage!! this change is horrible.

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• Zek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow

  September 2003

  BB didn't overpower Fades before, but they certainly would now, especially if they were at 2 hives. Bile Bombs are insanely strong now, and Fades are WAY too maneuverable to have that kind of power.

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• Ollj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members

  September 2003

  gorge bilebomb is great.

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• Tyrain Join Date: 2003-01-03 Member: 11746Members

  September 2003

  <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Sep 13 2003, 02:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Sep 13 2003, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Tyrain+Sep 13 2003, 10:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tyrain @ Sep 13 2003, 10:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think the only usable weapon on hive 2 is gorge BB. So why change it?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  Are you serious? Leap, umbra, metabolize and stomp are useless you say? You must be kidding.
  
  Compare the gorge to siege units in RTS games, like Warcraft III: While the siege units are devastating to buildings, they are vulnerable against other units and need protection if they're going up against buildings being protected by players. Nobody has ever complained that a meat wagon can't fight footmen effectively. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
  That's right. But BB is the only one that actually makes damage <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> (except leap but seriously how often do you hit with that?)
  
  The other lvl 2 weapons are just supporting ones.

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• KingKupo Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9785Members

  September 2003

  GIVE BB back to fade? you must be one of those foolish gorges that throw about 30 bilebombs at me and then get knifed. i have not yet had the oppurtunity to experiment much with BB but it does alot of damage against buildings, especially with a few skulks and a umbra.
  
  fades are now one of my fav. classes. quick and manouverable yet sturdy enough to withstand a few bullets. giving them bilebomb would trigger a fade rush tactic.(and fades can be gotten early) in which the aliens go fade and claw/bilebomb the hell out of the marines as soon as they get 2 hives. while individual fades are easy meat for grouped marines and massed turrets, a group of 4-6 can be quite tough to defeat.

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• ViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members

  September 2003

  this should be in S&I really.
  
  Well in a way i agree as i think u should get web earlier on. and meta is pointless. bb is a powerful thing too and a 10 res alien has it <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

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• Javert Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15954Members

  September 2003 edited September 2003

  1 ) Begging with huge font colors and plethora of stickies will not help as proven numerous times.
  
  2 ) I think it's an excellent idea for team coordination and balance. Although a 10 res gorge can have, you need 3 hives.
  
  3 ) What are the S&I forums for ? Won't be surprised if a search yields a similar plea and prompt rejection.

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• DarkDude Join Date: 2003-08-06 Member: 19088Members

  September 2003

  Read the rules before you post, don't they clearly state that the use of annoying, oversized fonts and the over use of smilies is prohibited? Re-read the rules then post a thread that has legit reasons in the S&I forum.

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• Opt1mus Join Date: 2003-06-02 Member: 16929Members

  September 2003

  i also think that fade should get bb back...
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  actually, not really, i just felt sorry for bjorn that everyone went off at him <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  gorge bb is good, makes the gorge a more valuable unit that doesn't mind getting its pudgy little feet dirty <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

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• Dragons_Revenge Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 8994Members

  September 2003

  I found that problem too of shooting BB at stuctures and not doing any damage. Even though I seen them and I was getting shot at, IT was not a direct LOS so no damage was done. 2.01d didn't have that problem-which since I didn't see all the changes between d and e makes me wonder what changed.

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• BlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation

  September 2003

  <!--QuoteBegin--Bjorn+Sep 13 2003, 03:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bjorn @ Sep 13 2003, 03:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Im a spanish natural selection player a little bit angry with the new version of NS ( the version 2.01 i think is the current version)  Why the devlopers of the mod give the bile bomb to the gorge??!!  is ridiculous the gorge is too little to fire the bile bomb without any damage  do you think the change is correct? i have a request for the devlopers of that wonderfull mod :Please please please give back the bile bomb to the fade pleaseeeeeeee
  
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  Bjorn<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  i think for all the repeated arguments above the gorge should heep it
  (remove the los-from explosion system so that you can shoot around corners and from vents again)
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