Flamethrower In 2.1 ?
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Join Date: 2003-09-01 Member: 20457Members
Join Date: 2003-09-01 Member: 20457Members
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Flamethrower - we know you want one. Flayra is working on it."
Not to insult him, the man does damn good work in a respectable amount of time ( for what he accomplished ). But don't go adding pressure for something that is, say, somewhat trivial? Sure it's a cool idea, but in the grand scheme of things, how important is a Flamethrower to the game? Will the game suck without one?
Then answer, hopefully, is no. But, in all honesty, I doubt it'll be in the next release.
No. not in 2.1. (unless he's pulled off a miracle, and isnt telling us)
Yes. flayra wants one in the game
But. He will only add one which is truly volumetric (spreads out in open areas, flame travels further in enclosed spaces like vents, and will flow round corners and junctions properly) Until the dev team work out a way to do this within the constraints of the HL engine, and without toasting peoples fps/ping, there will be no flamethrower.
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They haven't said anything about putting the flamethrower into 2.1. Until they declare that one is going into version whatever, don't hold your breath.
As for the flamethrower....it'll come around soon enough,there's still some balance issues needing some ironing,and some bugs to squish
1: a flamethrower would be rediculously hard to code, especially the way flay wants it (volumetric... kinda like the one in RTCW)
2: the particle system in HL was never ment to handle something as insane as this flamethrower, it would be a stunt getting something like that to work AND not suck
3: engine is running out of weapon slots... all but a couple slots are take as of NS2.01d. cant do much about though
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Noone said this would be a vanilla armory 7 res gun.
IF the flamethrower get implemented, I am sure it gets difficult enough to get one for obvious reasons.
Another thing might be the available "ammo".
I know "this is not WW2", but it won't carry much. Portable FTs usually have enough fuel to have 2 or 3 bursts of flame. In a whole around 8-12 seconds sustained fire. For gameplay reasons, maybe a little more.
So the FTer will be a unit for burning down one or two Onos, or more probably an anti structure weapon to seriously maim a hive or WOL with one-two long burst(s).
Mind you, this is speculative from my side, just trying to be reasonable.
You could say the same about most of the aliens abilities, no need to aim, just get close and hold the button down. Also i'd imagine a flamethrower being at the top of the tech tree, if the marines would be allowed to tech that far, the aliens deserve to fry.
Also keeps in part of the skill, as aiming is still important.
Lerks create no-go areas with spores, marines will be able to create no-go areas with flames.
What ya think?
Although a RTCW-style flame chucker would make my month!
-Taffy
Dude flamethrowers eliminating hives with a few short bursts? "Requesting for ammo, comm". The thing is, it's absolutely fool-proof. Ok if you have a hmg marine a few skulks could take him/her down or at least has a chance. But with flamethrower? Wait till they're up close, release flames. Skulks all scorched due to aoe effect. No aiming required. That really sux for the aliens. Something that you can't possibly beat. LOl imagine flamethrower guy takes down 2 onos and asks for 2 ammo packs or something. That's another 2 onos. Or you could restrict flame thrower ammo but that would render the weapn useless and it will severely screw alien game. WHEE I got an onos geez that took long. Oh crap I got BBQED. ANd I couldn't have done anything about that. WHOOPIE!
Bad idea imo. Too easy for rines to use. LOL just imagine what would happen if a fade blinked to you. *holds down fire button*. Dead fade. I do think a new weapon is needed for marines but it's definitely not an aoe flamethrower WOMD.
To limit it you could just do like the GL does, damage to the firer. A HA marine isn't gonna bake himself in his suit by flaming a skulk too close, and if he does, he dies, and the comm won't (or shouldn't) give that marine the tech again.
Its like saying that its unfair to use Hive three onos with full upgrades against vanilla marines. It is, but it also should be.
Of course, you also seem to assume that it would do lethal damage, an onos couldn't stomp one, and a fade doesn't use blink to get close. In truth, we don't know how Flayra would go about the damage it would cause (burn for long time low damage a la TFC or fireball of doom a la Kingpin?), except that he would want to make it volumetric. Because of this, it's a bit pointless to draw up hypothetic examples of the flamethrower in use.
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NAAAH I said "maim" not destroy.
Limit the total amount of FTs in game (one per 5 Marines, or one per 4), and make a probability for the carrier Marine to explode (and injuring surrounding Marines in the blast radius) when getting attacked and health gets low on the Marine. And/Or FT + HA/JP = nogo.
Its all a matter how you balance things. I am not suggesting anything to be taken for granted, just trying to have an elaborate discussion on the viability of a FT.
I think it can be done satisfactory, and I hope it will get done some time in the future.
Think lerk gas for marines. Balancing shouldn't be and issue as damage to structures and Onos/fades can be what ever the dev team wants who knows what fire does to aliens?
Shotgun has delay time. Shotgun DOES require precise aiming - if you don't aim properly you aren't achieving full damage potential. Plus there is a slight firing rate for the shottie.
I dont' think it's possible to balance the weapon. You could have "burning damage" not instant damage but that would mean the flamethrower would be an instant waste. Use it once and get killed. Ugh. Or you could have instantaneous damage. Nothing gets remotely close. I like the concept and all but I dont' think u could fit this weapon in the game.
No.