Riaa Wants To Make A Truce...

MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
edited September 2003 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">MY ****!</div> <a href='http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/05/music.amnesty.ap/index.html' target='_blank'>RIAA Truce? (CNN.com)</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->WASHINGTON (AP) -- The recording industry is expected to announce as early as next week an amnesty program for people who admit they illegally share music files across the Internet, promising not to sue them in exchange for their admission and pledge to delete the songs off their computers.

The offer of amnesty will not apply to the roughly 1,600 people who already have been targets of copyright subpoenas from the Recording Industry Association of America, which has promised to file hundreds of infringement lawsuits across the country as early as next week.

Sources who described the proposal Thursday spoke on condition of anonymity. A spokeswoman for the RIAA, Amy Weiss, declined to comment.

Risky agreement
The RIAA's offer would require Internet users to complete a notarized amnesty form that includes promises to delete any illegally downloaded music and not participate in illegal file-trading in the future. In exchange, the RIAA would agree not to file a potentially expensive infringement lawsuit.

"I'll be curious to see how many opt for this," said Fred von Lohmann, a lawyer for the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation, who has criticized the RIAA's use of copyright subpoenas. "It will be an interesting measure of how much fear the recording industry has managed to inject into the American public."

Von Lohmann cautioned that the RIAA doesn't represent all copyright owners and therefore couldn't guarantee an Internet user wouldn't be sued for infringement by others, despite what amounts to an admission of guilt.

"It's not the kind of agreement that most people's lawyers will embrace," he said.

But the amnesty offer could serve to soften the RIAA's brass-knuckle image once the earliest lawsuits are filed, giving nervous college students and others an opportunity to avoid similar legal problems if they confess to online copyright infringement.

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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...promising not to sue them in exchange for their admission and pledge to delete the songs off their computers. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<span style='color:yellow'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>*cough* bullsh*t</span></span>
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  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    Any decent lawer would get you off anything they could throw at you, they have no legal justification for snooping in your HD, invasion of privacy last time i checked, unless you were dumb enough to d-load songs from one of thier "sources" and they tagged your IP, even then you could say somone spoofed your IP addy, how they gunna prove it was actually ON your HD? come to your house and confiscate it.?

    the RIAA should fargen lower ALL CD prices to 9.99 and they wouldnt have a problem. As far as that manesty crap goes, I hope no one is lame enough to incriminate themselves by signing a pice of paper saying they have illigal stuff.
  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Members
    Is Universal Records part of the RIAA? They just lowered prices to 13 bucks.. i might buy some of those <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    uneversial/vivindy lowered the wholesale price, its not even known if the savings will be passed on to the consumer <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> and 13.00 is still too much 10.00 is way better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--GreyPaws+Sep 5 2003, 06:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GreyPaws @ Sep 5 2003, 06:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> uneversial/vivindy lowered the wholesale price, its not even known if the savings will be passed on to the consumer <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> and 13.00 is still too much 10.00 is way better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Or you could just download for free <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • XaniethXanieth Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7280Members
    I <i>really</i> want to buy some Led Zeppelin albums, but I'm not going to, because I'm not paying $20 for a frellin' CD.
  • GrimmGrimm Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15448Members
    I honestly don't have a problem going out and buying an actual CD. I like to have the actual solid disk and any extras that come with it, and I usually get at least one new CD a month, usually one every couple weeks (I'm always up for adding to my already extensive music library).

    I used to use Kazaa to get songs a long time ago, but I was usually stuck with badly remixed verrsions, or ones that would cut off in the middle of the song. Once in a while I'll look for some really obscure song, like a Beethoven techno remix or something, but usually I get my music from actual CDs, or mp3.com.
  • UlatohUlatoh Join Date: 2002-12-18 Member: 10982Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Grimm+Sep 5 2003, 09:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grimm @ Sep 5 2003, 09:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> . I like to have the actual solid disk and any extras that come with it, and I usually get at least one new CD a month, usually one every couple weeks (I'm always up for adding to my already extensive music library) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Rich p*nk

    j/k

    the riaa should really realise that 20 bucks per cd is rediculous

    $20000000 is what you would get from a single platinum album selling for 20 mil

    not to mention liscensing to movies, merchandise... advertizing franchises...
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    $20 for a CD really <b>isn't</b> all that much. One photo can cost far more than $20. One font can cost $20. An idea or expression can sell for thousands. A CD filled with the songs made by a band is definitely worth $20.

    Good grief, people buy a can of Coca Cola for $1.00-$2.00 each day. $20 for 12 songs isn't all that much.
  • WindelkronWindelkron Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Members
    Look, $20 is a major investment, especially for kids like me who dont have jobs. k? not everyone is rich, not everyone gets a load of money from their parents... I have a lot of music I'd listen to but the price is <b>prohibitively</b> high. For me at least.

    I'm in a ska band, we're not signed or anything, we made a CD (btw u should all buy it, PM me for details). We're not selling it for freaking $20, we're selling it for $5. What do I care if we lose money bc of paying for the recording studio? It was an experience, it's fun making music, don't expect to go into music and make profit, k?!
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    lol. They do that because if I were accused? Format C:/


    No proof.
    Full format=no detection
    GG
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    tell us your name and address in a notorized letter admitting you have pirated music and we PROMISE we wont use it as evidence to sue you with.

    **** off, riaa. i wouldnt want your manufactured pop is it was 1$ per cd. i use kazaa for techno trance, a genre my local record stores DONT CARRY.
  • ANeMANeM Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16267Members, Constellation
    The RIAA must have never heard of these little things called "Laws"
    The RIAA can not take any real legal action against someone without first commiting an illegal action on their own part.
    This is, as others have already pointed out, complete bullsh*t.
    But if they did use the information you supply them with as evidence to sue you, you can counter sue them for breaking a publicly released legally binding agreement (which would the little notice they have posted)
    or thats what I think.. I'm no lawyer.. I'm just related to one.. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Windelkron+Sep 5 2003, 10:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Sep 5 2003, 10:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Look, $20 is a major investment, especially for kids like me who dont have jobs.  k?  not everyone is rich, not everyone gets a load of money from their parents... I have a lot of music I'd listen to but the price is <b>prohibitively</b> high.  For me at least. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So you <b>don't get music.</b> Save up.

    However, on the topic of the RIAA, I find it fine for them to make this document. In the real world, when someone is suspected of stealing, a search warrant is made and police search the premesis. In the digital world, if the RIAA suspect someone of cheating, they get permission to search your hard drive. Now, they are giving you the opportunity to give up stealing music, and in return, they won't sue you for money you <b>owe</b> them. Seems legal to me.
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    Stealing music....laff.

    Poor RIAA is only gonna make 9 billion this year instead of 10 billion....SH*T!!1 OMG THEY ARE POOR NOW!!@!

    Gimme a break....

    /edit

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So you don't get music. Save up.

    However, on the topic of the RIAA, I find it fine for them to make this document. In the real world, when someone is suspected of stealing, a search warrant is made and police search the premesis. In the digital world, if the RIAA suspect someone of cheating, they get permission to search your hard drive. Now, they are giving you the opportunity to give up stealing music, and in return, they won't sue you for money you owe them. Seems legal to me. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I honestly don't believe in buying a 20 dollar CD for 1 or 2 songs that I like off of it....I rarely find CD's in which I love every song...The RIAA needs to pull their heads out of their ****.
  • ForkehForkeh Join Date: 2003-08-11 Member: 19431Members, Constellation
    I generaly dont like people who download songs online like kazza unless they use that 1 per song thing they have out. I myself am going to grow up and be in a rock band, I have big plans for myself and I don't want any punk kid nerd in there parents basement ripping me off. I know it sounds gready but people got to live. Making music is what I like to do, It's what I'm going to for the rest of my life. I support the Riaa, and all those who stole from them should be severly punished. I admit to doing it a few times myself but this was before I knew the facts and knew how it would hurt me...
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->lol. They do that because if I were accused? Format C:/


    No proof.
    Full format=no detection
    GG
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    And that is why you'd be caught. It's pretty simple to reconstruct a HDD without a low level format taking place. Note : Format C:/ is <b>not</b> a low level format.

    And if nothing else, I receive about 300 emails a week from RIAA, ELSPA & other organizations of IP's they've tracked, and we first send them an email saying stop it, then if they turn up again we disable their ADSL pending a written letter saying they are aware of the piracy laws & our T&C, and then if they still turn up, we hand their details over to them and let them do what they want.

    You are not immune.

    And it's not very hard to ensure an IP. You can from Data Link get the Mac address, and the Mac address is unique to your network card. That can also be spoofed, but it's beyond 99% of users to every do so, and easily uploadable in law.

    I'm against the RIAA/everyone else crackdown, but I'd just like to point out 90% of the Internet fables about what they can/can't do are lies. The only reason they don't prosecute everyone they catch is because of the fact they <b>are there to make money</b>. If they save themselves £1,000 by catching you, but it costs £5,000 to do so, they don't bother. That's all there is to it.
  • JavertJavert Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15954Members
    RIAA= desperate sons of !@#$%.

    They know they're losing. They SHOULD know few people will keep their word (come on, we're humans). I just don't think this will solve their problems. RIAA shouldn't stop this technology. This should use it. That's what good businesses do, THEY ADAPT!!!!111 (Like the Borg...and Microsoft). But they're stuck in archaic practices and they'll go down for it (Bada bing, ya know whad i'm sayin' ?)

    And plus, I, as a musician, do not believe the eliticism of music. Nor should its spread be hindered. Music should permeate itself into the very fabric of our society. Is the RIAA gonna stop me from downloading Mozart or sharing Elton John? #@$ no! Or how 'bout Elvis or Michael Jackson. Sheesh, I hear their songs from street players (OMG, theY"RE SHarING, SUE THEM for their Pennies!) to the public restrooms ("RIAA announces crackdown on city toilets"), what kinda of copyright IS THAT! Some classics, you just can't infringe property (Stop humming that or I'll sue!).

    Anyway, enough of my rant. First RIAA wants to show muscle. And now they want to show clemency. Too bad, too late, they're already the villain in my mind.

    Plus, I haven't downloaded any music in a while. John Williams can only do so much at a time...
  • GrimmGrimm Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15448Members
    I'm actually not rich, I just save up any money I get or can find, or do random chores for. I just devote a certain amount of my allowance/earnings to music because its a huge part of who I am and what I do.

    Anyway, about this whole issue with the RIAA, I believe they are being excessive in their choise of actions. If they were not losing money from song sharing, then they wouldn't have a problem with it. But because they are a big corporation, they focus on getting more and more money, and any losses of their income are not acceptable to them. Its too bad the ways they're handling the situation are intrusive and unconstitutional.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    TBH I'm thinking of purging my Kazza Lite folder. Why? Not because I fear the RIAA but because I've got bored of the stuff that I have in there and I usually cannot be bothered to listen to anymore. My WinAMP playlist is made up of things I own and TBH thats how I like it. (You can't get any of the S&M tracks on Kazza because it sucks)
  • BirdyBirdy Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16825Members, Constellation
    What if you make mp3's offa your own bought cd's?
    Is that ilegal?
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Birdy+Sep 6 2003, 05:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Birdy @ Sep 6 2003, 05:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What if you make mp3's offa your own bought cd's?
    Is that ilegal? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not one bit, as long as you don't distribute the MP3s or give the CD away.
  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I wonder what %of the profit the RIAA get to keep....
  • DecimatorDecimator Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8057Members
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's only illegal to distribute the music, not to download it. So if you start ripping mp3's off some internet station, you're perfectly legal.
  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Members
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Forkeh+Sep 6 2003, 01:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forkeh @ Sep 6 2003, 01:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I generaly dont like people who download songs online like kazza unless they use that 1 per song thing they have out. I myself am going to grow up and be in a rock band, I have big plans for myself and I don't want any punk kid nerd in there parents basement ripping me off. I know it sounds gready but people got to live. Making music is what I like to do, It's what I'm going to for the rest of my life. I support the Riaa, and all those who stole from them should be severly punished. I admit to doing it a few times myself but this was before I knew the facts and knew how it would hurt me... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you don't wanna get ripped off then don't sign up with the RIAA, either...

    Guess how much you'll see from a record deal?

    $0

    Of course, its' all publicity for concerts, which are money makers.
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    $20 for a CD = ripoff. I can buy DVD's for that much. DVD's with gigs of information. CD's hold a couple hundred meg. Er.. Well nearly one gig but whatever. Producing a CD CANNOT COST THAT MUCH. People say "oh well it all goes into advertising, etc". Yea frickin right. It costs how many million to advertise? I could start a label and from one platinum album advertise every artist for that much.
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Downloading is also illegal. You are taking possession of something which you don't legally own.
  • ScinetScinet Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12489Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--MedHead+Sep 5 2003, 10:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Sep 5 2003, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> $20 for a CD really <b>isn't</b> all that much. One photo can cost far more than $20. One font can cost $20. An idea or expression can sell for thousands. A CD filled with the songs made by a band is definitely worth $20.

    Good grief, people buy a can of Coca Cola for $1.00-$2.00 each day. $20 for 12 songs isn't all that much. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    20$ is very much indeed, if you know a thing or two about cd pricing. My musical tastes are quite far from mainstream music, which is good for my wallet. Just two weeks ago I ordered 4 cds by mail, and they cost me a grand total of 46 euros (for those who don't know, one euro is a bit over one dollar). Mind you, these were not singles, but full lenght albums. One of them was actually billed as an EP, but still contained 74 minutes of music. My point is that if independent small labels can sell limited edition cds (200-1000 pressed copies) at the price of 10-14 euros, why do mass-produced albums that have been pressed over a million units at a time cost more? Shouldn't they cost less?

    Maybe the problem here is that the business model of the labels under RIAA's protective umbrella sucks. They spew millions of dollars in marketing per year, and the few hit groups they produce must pay the bills of the flops. Also, the producing costs of pop albums border on the ridiculous. Michael Jackson's Invincible is reputed to have cost about 30 million dollars to produce. With that kind of money, I could produce an album that would make all other music obsolete. Apparently Michael couldn't. With this kind of expenses it's really no wonder that the bigger labels need every cent they can pump out of the customers badly.
  • Bosnian_CowboyBosnian_Cowboy Join Date: 2003-06-07 Member: 17088Members, Constellation
    I wonder what a subpoena of Kazaa to give information about me would say "The judge has ordered you to give all the information you have on 'KazaaLiteUser@kazaalite.tk' to RIAA." <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ScinetScinet Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12489Members, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--404NotFound+Sep 6 2003, 10:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (404NotFound @ Sep 6 2003, 10:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Forkeh+Sep 6 2003, 01:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forkeh @ Sep 6 2003, 01:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I support the Riaa, and all those who stole from them should be severly punished. I admit to doing it a few times myself but this was before I knew the facts and knew how it would hurt me... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you don't wanna get ripped off then don't sign up with the RIAA, either...

    Guess how much you'll see from a record deal?

    $0

    Of course, its' all publicity for concerts, which are money makers. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    404 has it right there. The bigger the label, the more likely you'll actually end up indebted to it, rather than getting any money. Mainstream music is a hell of a job for any artist who composes and records his own songs, because to make the ends meet, you just can't say no to a tour offer. It's better to sign up with a small label that isn't in any way connected to the bigger ones. This guarantees you much more artistic freedom and an actual percentage of the album sales profits too.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited September 2003
    All you young kids. You missed all this with cassette recording, VHS recording, Betamax recording, and CD burning, over the past two decades. Just be patient - in every case the courts have ruled that the recording industry was outside its bounds when they tried to restrict that sort of activity. Right now the RIAA is trying to get what it can before the courts rule that their activities are illegal - just like the last 4 times.

    Memories are so short.
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