Video Cards.

Quaunaut · September 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">DAHM YOU INTEL!!!!11onezerofive!</div> Basically, this is my problem: I finally got a new video card. Months and months of complaining paid off, when a sweet sale came up, letting me get a GeForce 5600 AGP 256MB for 160 bucks, here in town. Now, that may not be a good price or whatever, but I don't care. At all. This is not a discussion on what video card is best.

Its one on "How to Install A Video Card".

Basically, this is my problem: I've gone to Intel's site(I have a intel extreme graphics controller), searched it up and down(manual and using search function), and I cannot find out how to uninstall the thing. Not to mention, that I'm not sure what KIND of controller this is. Is it a actual video card? Or is it a integrated to the motherboard one? If its the integrated to the motherboard one, does it have the switch? Or do I have to manually disable everything?

I know I sound really nub, but this is my first foray into the deeper part of the gaming world, and I really don't wanna screw up my computer, because my mom would make me pay $500 bucks for a $40 repair fee. And its taken me a year to get $150....so how long would it take for 500....but thats beside the point.

So does anyone know any of the questions I have? And if its a manually disable, could someone please explain that? I'd really appreciate any help that people can provide me.

SoulSkorpion · September 2003

[edit]I didn't read your post properly. never mind[/edit]

Malevolent · September 2003

Yeah, on both major video card sites, I'm sure they say how to uninstall a card. I cannot remember how I installed my ATI, but I know it said in the directions I got with it. I would think it would say in your directions too.

Beast · September 2003

I think its a case of changing bios settings? Might want to check though. It SHOULD be in the bios, I would expect.

MonsieurEvil · September 2003

Just put your new video card in. Then plug your monitor into your new card. Then boot your machine. Then when Windows detects your new hardware, feed it the drivers. Then contendedly play games with a nice new video card.

That's all there is to it. With this onboard card, there is no reason to have to uninstall or disable anything unless you have other problems later. Try this first - 999 out of 1000 times, you will be all set.

Rellix · September 2003

Im about to purchase a new 3D card myself,although, I'm not sure which one and what slots to put it into, I know iv got PCI slots, but is an AGP look similar but not as big or is it smaller?

Maby I should post a pic of my motherboard?

Marine0I · September 2003

Rellix you will know your agp from ur pci when you get your card.

AGP is smaller from memory, are you even sure you have an AGP slot?

Talesin · September 2003

An AGP slot is usually a green, dark-green, or brown slot, around the size of a PCI slot (which are normally white). AGP slots are without fail (to my knowledge) THE slot closest to the CPU, to cut down on trace length. AGP slots are keyed, so you probably can't put a PCI card in them without a hammer. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>
(A 'slot key' is a bit of plastic inside the slot to make sure the wrong kind of card won't fit inside... the proper kind of card has a gap in that spot, to fit the key)

If you have a slot that's about half the size of a PCI slot, it's likely an AMR.. audio-modem riser. Which has approximately two niche cards, by *a* manufacturer, to seat in them. :b
1.5x longer than a PCI slot and black is an ISA slot.
2x longer (ISA slot plus a green 'extender' at the end) is a VESA-64 slot... very rare that anyone even remembers them, much less has them any more.

Rellix · September 2003

I was kinda guessing it was AGP, it was a diffrent size from the PCI slots and, the moniter pluged into that card so I was guessing that it was my meesly GForce 2 <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'> .

Still anyone recomend a good card, I'v set myself a generious budget of ?250. I want to get it within the next 2 weeks to iron out and problems before HL2 and HW2.

Beast · September 2003

Wait a bit, Then the GeForce FX 5900 (non ultra) or Radeon 9800(maybe pro?) should be around that price. depends which one you want. With any luck you might find a GeForce FX 5900 Ultra for around that price <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Soylent_green · September 2003

Rellix, I would get a radeon 9800 non pro... its about 50£ or so cheaper than the 128 MB pro and the difference is the memory clock speed and core clock speed(basically this is the chips that didn't end up in the pro bin during testing so they slowed it down ~15% and made it cheaper. This type of binning is done with most processors and memory. Intel cannot make only 3.2 GHz processors their yeild would be terrobly low so the processors that aren't good enough get binned for 3 GHz or 2.8 or 2.6 etc).

These binning tests most often err on the side of caution and hence there are people who overclock things, often with the sacrifice of either stabillity(while overclocked) or noise, hardware seldom brakes from overclocking.

As time goes on yield goes up and the old categories become redundant as almost all chips make it into a higher one and it is removed. Radeons 9800 cores seem to have either 2 or 3 categories. There is the 9800 pro rating(used for 9800 with 128 MB mem and 256 MB DDR-II which gets very hot BTW), the 9800 non-pro and possibly the 9800 SE.

The SE seems to be aimed at an even lower priceclass and from what I know it is similar to the 9500 pro in that it uses a core that has been half nerfed but is otherwise identical to the better model from which it is based. Half the fillrate is not so fun so if you manage to find one(don't think they have shipped yet) you probably shouldn't get it.

yeah I know enough ranting :/...

Talesin · September 2003

Actually, the 9500 Pro is just a further-underclocked 9700. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> All 8 texturing pipelines are active and operational. It's the NON-Pro version of the 9500 that has half of them disabled. ^_^

pardzh · September 2003

A few years ago I did the same thing, putting a new vidcard into a computer with an integrated graphics card.

Bought my new vidcard, came home, installed it, plugged in monitor, booted up, put in drivers. I was a happy camper until I got a game that ran like crap with the old vidcard. Never had any problems with having the old integrated thingbob installed.

GreyPaws · September 2003

MonsE nailed it on the head, everything these days is plug and play, just make sure you have the drivers CD and when prompted by windows point to your CD drive.

Nil_IQ · September 2003

Oh teh coincidence!

That is EXACTLY the card i'm planning on getting off novatech for £128 which is about $160 (phear our stronger currency <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> )

Does anyone know if this card is noisy at all? I heard Geforce cards can be very noisy, and I might have to reconsider if that's the case (but I would probably just buy it anyway <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> )

I just need to get my more-computer-savvy friend Sam to have a look at my motherboard to see if it can take it.

All I need to be able to take it is an AGP slot... right?

Nil_IQ · September 2003

Oh, and here's a pic. Isn't it beautiful? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

And can anyone answer me this (may sound a bit nubbly); what is the difference between a 5600 and a 5900? They're both 256mb cards, so what's the difference? Sorry but the only real way I know to judge a card's power is the mb.

Thansal · September 2003

just for a note of fun, go look at my thread (some one showed me what an AGP slot looks like <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>)
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=18&t=46059' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...ST&f=18&t=46059</a>

Rellix · September 2003

Ok it says its in PCI bus 1, so in theory i just get a new PCI/AGP one plug it in and install drivers etc, then reboot after changeing the slot the moniter is pluged into.

Right?

Thansal · September 2003

.....

have you ever installed anything in your comp?

lets try and make this simple <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>
[EDIT]TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER[/EDIT] (you would be surprised)
1) open your case all the way up and put it on its side (so the MoBo is on the ground)
2) find where yuor moniter is pluging in to. (if it is your MoBo, unplug it and go to step 3)
2A) unplug the moniter, unscrew the screw on the card it was in and simply lift out <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>
3) find the brown(probably) slot that is set sorta further back then the white slots
<img src='http://www.overclockersonline.com/images/articles/msi/6362/agp.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
4) insert your Vidcard in there, and screw it onto your case
5) close it all up and boot
6) Windows will detect the new hardware and ask for drivers, pop in the CD
7) go to the companies webie and DL the latest drivers and install
8) enjoy teh p0w4H!!!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Talesin · September 2003

Actually, also make sure if the vid card is 2.2v or 2.5v, and if your mobo can handle providing its power needs. A number of boards today do NOT have support for 2.5v cards, and will refuse to even power-up with one inserted.

Beast · September 2003

OK the difference between the 5600 and the 5900 is that the 5900 is the better and more expensive card.

Rellix · September 2003

Yes Iv installed hardware before, just not a video card. I assumed It was probably diffrent cause the moniter has to be pluged into it to have any effect. cant turn my case on its side either (silly Dell case) cause it opens like an arch, but thanks for going over it anyway.

Xanieth · September 2003

Ok, did <b>anyone</b> read his post where it said "<i>I have an intel extreme graphics controller</i>"?

It's integrated, people. Intel doesn't make videocard. Buy a new motherboard.

GreyPaws · September 2003

so what? intel makes all their boards with AGP slots, unless the MoBo is like 2+ years old. He can disable the integrated vid in BIOS but plug and play automatically does it when an AGP card is detected.

Zel · September 2003

one note; dont buy 256 meg people! you wont see that giving you any performance increase untill 2006, when games are written to require that kind of data. get a high end card, because the rendering GPU is important, i would reccomend the highest geforce you can get in 128 meg.

TKS_DeAtH · September 2003

HL-2 and The NEw DOOM will Devinitaly Get about a 10-15% PErformance increase from 256mb DDR -II RAM. These 2 games are Memory Hogs, and will need the Bigger Pipeline of the DDR-II Memory along with the 256mb. These games should be out by the End of this YEar, and cards with the 256mb like the Radeon and Geforce ULtra should be Affordable by them.

Quaunaut · September 2003

I'm not just bumping this for the hell of it. So here't goes.

I have to buy a new motherboard.

Because Dell is stupid.

I wanna kill whoever built my computer with a mobo with no AGP slot.

So now, I've gotta get a new mobo to get this card.

So, I'm gonna sell my gamecube(because I've never had any fun with it, and probably will want it back once I sell it. But I don't care, because my X-Box is good enough for me. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>) to funcoland, then go buy them both from a local retailer. Question is, I don't know what mobo's will support this card for about $100 bucks.

Can anyone tell me that? Its drastically needed, because this mobo is worthless now. I'm gonna have professionals install it, because frankly, I don't wanna be responsible for myself melting some screws to get something loose(don't ask).

Thansal · September 2003

For AMD:
<a href='http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=22&manufactory=1283&DEPA=1&sortby=14&order=1' target='_blank'>http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?...rtby=14&order=1</a>

For Intel:
<a href='http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=280&manufactory=1283&DEPA=1&sortby=14&order=1' target='_blank'>http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?...rtby=14&order=1</a>

I like ABIT <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

I think any of those should come with everything you want as well as being able to decently upgrade your CPU and RAM <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Quaunaut · September 2003

Um...I know I don't know much about computers...

But I'm looking for a mobo...not a processor...and that processor is worse than mine, anyway. I have a P4 2.0ghz.

-edit- AND 256mb of RAM, going to upgrade to a gig of it after the vid card.

OttoDestruct · September 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>HL-2 and The NEw DOOM will Devinitaly Get about a 10-15% PErformance increase from 256mb DDR -II RAM. These 2 games are Memory Hogs, and will need the Bigger Pipeline of the DDR-II Memory along with the 256mb. These games should be out by the End of this YEar, and cards with the 256mb like the Radeon and Geforce ULtra should be Affordable by them. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Uh no? HL2 is going to be able to run on craptastic cards like a GeForce 2, granted not very good but whatever. Doom3 is going to get owned into the ground so it really doesn't matter. 256 meg will NOT give you a performance increase unless the memory chips themselves are better. Common sense will also tell you that the games won't require 256 meg. "Hi I'm a game developer. I'm making a game that needs to sell to the mass market. Does the mass market spend $500 on a graphics card?" By the time games come out which actually NEED 256 meg of ram you're probably going to want a new card anyway, so save your money, and get a budget card.

SoulSkorpion · September 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Sep 6 2003, 11:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Um...I know I don't know much about computers...

But I'm looking for a mobo...not a processor...and that processor is worse than mine, anyway. I have a P4 2.0ghz.

-edit- AND 256mb of RAM, going to upgrade to a gig of it after the vid card.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Uh... those link to motherboards, which is what you're looking for <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>.

It's pretty simple, really. The motherboard is what everything else plugs into, one way or another.

Video Cards.

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