Why Do People Do This?

nthingnthing Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3091Members
edited August 2003 in NS General Discussion
Ok, imagine this scenario.

You build 3 sensory chambers first, then up goes a hive. When the second hive is built, 3 defense chambers go up.

Now, the marines come and seige your first hive. You manage to take it back, and you go gorge to put the hive back up. You still have your three sensory chambers and three defense chambers.

Ok, now the hive is re-built, and it is not assigned to any chamber type yet. Now, logic dictates that someone should now build 3 movement chambers, as this will allow 3 different upgrades at only two hives. Although this will disallow the building of more sensories, we already have quite a few dotted around the map. Why settle for another sensory when you could build movements and have all 3 chamber types?

But, alas, without asking someone always builds the same chamber type somewhere. When I question why they build it, they say, "We don't have 3 hives yet". I can forgive this if they don't realise how it works, but it's kind of annoying. Especially when you tell them, even before the hive goes up, to build mcs rather than another sc.

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  • WitznerWitzner Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18373Members
    edited August 2003
    Yup, happens all too often. I just chalk it up to people not understanding, or just being clueless.
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    Um...k? I'm pretty sure once you build a chamber for the hive, even if it goes down, you still can't build anything else. I'm probably wrong. Build it yourself or something.
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    If the hive that went down is Sens then I usually go for a new chamber. If it was the Def Hive I tend to rebuild D chambers, as they still are almost necessary to fortifying forward positions as a gorge.
  • WarfareWarfare Join Date: 2002-10-29 Member: 1697Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Torak+Aug 29 2003, 07:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Aug 29 2003, 07:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If the hive that went down is Sens then I usually go for a new chamber. If it was the Def Hive I tend to rebuild D chambers, as they still are almost necessary to fortifying forward positions as a gorge. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's true.
    Same thing with Movement. Not as important.
  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    I wonder noone called this an exploit already <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.

    sometimes you just dont need the third chamber and need more of that seond one to get a third hive fast, so it wont matter.
  • mojojojomojojojo Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2017Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--MrMojo+Aug 29 2003, 06:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrMojo @ Aug 29 2003, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Um...k? I'm pretty sure once you build a chamber for the hive, even if it goes down, you still can't build anything else. I'm probably wrong. Build it yourself or something. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thats what I thought, remember it being a change in one of the 1.0xs I thought when a hive was rebuilt it was still assigned to its previous chamber type.

    But I could be wrong...
  • nthingnthing Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3091Members
    edited August 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ollj+Aug 29 2003, 05:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Aug 29 2003, 05:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wonder noone called this an exploit already <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.

    sometimes you just dont need the third chamber and need more of that seond one to get a third hive fast, so it wont matter. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's true, but on most occasions when this happens it is due to gorges not realising that they can build mcs.

    We had plenty of scs dotted around the map. We had way more than 3, so the likelihood of the marines taking them all down (especially since they can't be seen) was very low. There was no chance that we were going to lose our sensory upgrades, so movements would have really helped us alot more than another sc. Espcially to take back Biodome (as they had an observatory there).

    Again, when I asked the gorge why he didn't build mcs he said that he couldn't until we had 3 hives, so it was not the case that more scs would have been more help to us than some mcs, it was just that he didn't realise he could build them.
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    edited August 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ollj+Aug 29 2003, 12:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Aug 29 2003, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> sometimes ... it wont matter. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yeah but that's no reason to not take the extra upgrades when you are given the opportunity!
  • PaqPaq Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10876Members
    Only way how you can make sure that you will get the new chamber is to build it yourself. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Just before the hive is finished, go gorge, open up the pop up menu and move your cursor on top of the "movement chamber" icon. And when the hive hive is done, build it immediately. That's what I do. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • nthingnthing Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3091Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Paq+Aug 29 2003, 06:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Paq @ Aug 29 2003, 06:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Only way how you can make sure that you will get the new chamber is to build it yourself. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Just before the hive is finished, go gorge, open up the pop up menu and move your cursor on top of the "movement chamber" icon. And when the hive hive is done, build it immediately. That's what I do. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know, but I was an Onos at the time and I really didn't want to go gorge just to make sure mcs are up. I did tell them, afterall.
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    I have always thought it was an explote
    Your getting 3 chambers for the price of two hives!
    Thats not how its suppose to work.
    yes you had to build 3 hives because 1 went down, but thats not controling 3 hives now is it?

    So Explote, would be the correct word.
  • monkeymastermonkeymaster Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13771Members
    im glad that happens to you, i hope in the next version when a hive goes down the chamber is un-useable.
  • nthingnthing Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3091Members
    edited August 2003
    Hmmm, well, I've never considered this to be an exploit at all. I thought it was done this way on purpose.

    Any official confirmation on, "how its suppose to work" then?
  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Either tell them how it works ahead of time or go gorge and drop them yourself.
  • nthingnthing Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3091Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ahnteis+Aug 29 2003, 06:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ahnteis @ Aug 29 2003, 06:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Either tell them how it works ahead of time or go gorge and drop them yourself. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dropping them yourself is not always an option. I don't see why I should de-evolve from onos when we already have a gorge with enough res to drop some.

    And secondly, I did tell them.
  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    If you told them, either they didn't understand OR they considered additional sensories more important (sheer lunacy) OR they were purposely trying to screw your team. Of those, you can only do anything about the first one. I've never had that problem, but most of the servers I frequent are above average pub level of understanding/teamwork.
  • devicenulldevicenull Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15967Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Ugh.. I had a player insist on dropping sc asap.
    We get movement first, he drops sc. Leaving us trapped without dc, with HA marines coming toward us..They kill the hive (which happens to be the sc hive), we get it back. Everyone on our team is screaming DC at him and our other gorge..
    And he drops a sc.
    He did this multiple games in a row, even after being told by everyone playing and an admin there (me <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->) to ask what chambers his team wanted first.. He had some obsession with them I guess, and had to drop them everywhere, even though it meant he screwed his team over every time..

    3chambers with 2hives isn't an exploit, IMO..
    Usually you'll end up with 1 upgrade having like 1 chamber, and the rest having 3..
    It dosent seem to happen too often though..
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    Only once did I mistakenly believe that each hive kept with a specific chamber. And now I know otherwise, so all is well <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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