Some thoughts about the marine weapons

lazygamer · August 2002

So I was thinking, why is it the Marine weapons are called machine guns, yet they likely perform the role of an assault rifle(and look like one too). Ok machine gun sounds cooler i'll admit, but even the heavy machine gun counts as a real-life "light machine gun"(weight wise) at best. Then there's the overly-undersized(new word) machine gun ammoboxes(or perhaps they now count as magazines due to their size). Oh wait a sec, this is the future so everything is miniaturized, thus these ARE the machine guns, the assault rifles are far smaller. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

I hope there will be an upgrade(or two) to turn these assault rifles(ok battle rifles perhaps) into TRUE machine guns(alot more ammo).

/ends rant

Silver_Fox · August 2002

well, I'd say the HMG is a 'true' machine gun ..

Damn thing is heavier then hell, blasts the ammo out like you wouldn't believe, has a huge reload time and can drop almost anything in a few seconds.

However, I guess you could classify the LMG as an assualt rifle.

But, Flayra isn't making a weapons mod. I really counldn't care less if it was call 'Long thingie that shoots things of pain' Or LTTSTOP for short ... er .. something ...
O_o

DruBo · August 2002

the LMG is a sub-machine gun. I mean, look at it.

the HMG, which has recently switched models, now looks more <a href="http://www.natural-selection.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=4584;st=20" target="_blank">like an M60</a> than any other modern weapon, so it earns its "machine gun" title.

But really, the aim of this mod is to have fun, not to have the most variety and realism of weapons as possible. I mean, come on. You want weapon realism? Go join the army and leave us alone.

lazygamer · August 2002

Lol im just ranting dude, I love NS very much. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

As for the HMG... that's sweet! Although the old model wasn't as bad as I thought it was. Once you see it being held by a marine, you realize how massive it is in comparison to the marine.

GobyWan · August 2002

If you want to be really anal about weapon classification, the LMG most resembles a Sterling SMG and the HMG is basically the M60. But the game is about gameplay, not realism.

Thank you for playing Firearms, but this isn't it. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Sgt_Vejita · August 2002

that looks nothing alike....theres a lot of "changes" on the HMG...so stuff it..lol

Longtooth · August 2002

For the LMG to be a submachinegun it would have to fire pistol rounds, that is what seperates machineguns from sub-machineguns, machine guns fire rifle rounds and sub-machineguns fire pistol rounds just FYI and by the way:
I KNOW its not a weapon mod.

lazygamer · August 2002

Well you could say the LMG is really an oversized sterling firing rifle ammo. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

Surge · August 2002

The LMG doesn't look like an SMG to me... it looks like an Assault Rifle... or maybe a Carbine. But that doesn't matter. They're guns!

Maybe the clips are so small because the rounds are caseless?...

GobyWan · August 2002

Longtooth, that's WAY too simplified. Also, it doesn't matter because this isn't the Firearms weapons forum, as I stated before.

DOOManiac · August 2002

I think the reason the weapons are called machine guns over assault rifles is...

ITS JUST A FRIGGIN VIDEO GAME

that is all.

Hida_Tsuzua · August 2002

The reason why the LMG is called a LMG and not called an assult rifle, carbine (which I think either one is more accurate) or pop-gun (as some marines call it) is due to two reasons.

The first reason is that LMG sounds cool and short and to the point (it's light and automachitic). The second reason is that therefore you can more easily see the difference between HMG and LMG just by their names alone (for example what's bigger an assult rifle or a battle rifle?).

Snake13 · August 2002

okay I can see you guys aren't big on the gun stuff so i'll help you out (i normally hang in realism mod forums)

LMG-This would be an Assault Rifle as someone already said, that is assuming it fires an intermediary sized rifle round (like 5,56), if it fired something large like the 7.62 then it would be a Battle rifle

HMG-This would be an Light Machine gun, a light machine is basicly a man-portable weapon that delivers sustained fire of a rifle round that is operated by a single soldier

a full fledged machine gun would be something like the .50 caliber Browning M2Hb (you know that big ### gun they mount on jeeps and other things)

Longtooth · August 2002

For something to be called a rifle it must fire rifle rounds, it is not to simplified it is how the weapon classification system works.

BathroomMonkey · August 2002

It's been covered before-- the name 'machine gun' was actually a misnomer for the two automatic weapons because that title only accurately describes a belt-fed weapon.

However, that's been remedied on the hmg. The new version is belt fed. Dual belt, actually. Heavy refers to the relative size of the weapon and the round it fires.

But really, take it from an individual who was involved in designing and building these things: The names are arbitrary. Really. Don't focus on them. The guns we have are caricatures of those found in weapons mods, and there's a very good reason for that-- and trust me on this-- the gameplay _absolutely_ transcends things like round size, recoil, rof, etc. You have a small assortment of weapons, each with obvious strengths and weaknesses. No bickering as to whether or not the colt is more accurate with the silencer on or not. The gameplay would greatly outpace any sort of minutae-driven weapons system, so it's unnecessary.

Rant over. Trust me, when the game comes out, there will be no more arguing about what to call the weapons. Regardless of your current stance, you will scream 'I NEED AN HMG' in mortal terror as the level 5's thunder your way . . .

Psyco45 · August 2002

Why did they decide to change the HMG model? The old HMG looked cooler and looked exactly like the OICW. The cool thing about that is that if this mod is like 50-60 years in the future then that HMC model resembling the OICW would be more realistic because the us army is developing the OICW weapon for the standerd soilder. What im trying to say is that the M60 is like a 50 year old gun why model a futuristic weapon off an old ### one why not one that is still in development. Just wondering. I know its not a weapons mod but still..

Psyco45 · August 2002

sorry for the pic i could not make it work out..

CollateralDamage · August 2002

Just a thought... If you're using fantasy guns anyway, why not give them much cooler names than Light and Heavy Machineguns? These names are boring and overused.

coil · August 2002

I believe the HMG model was changed *because* it looked too much like the OICW. The team wanted something a little more original.

As for the names... it's been said a MILLION times, the weapons are something you use to shoot aliens. Light Machine Gun and Heavy Machine Gun are their names because they are easy to remember and SELF-EXPLANATORY - you hear LMG, you think lightweight rifle. You hear HMG, you think something a little more deadly.

I'm sure the final manual will include a more detailed "background" of each weapon, including some random specs (calibre, stopping range, RPM, etc) and the "official" name of the weapon... but to the casual player, they remain the LMG and HMG. Because it's just easier.

Snake13 · August 2002

just to clarify, I was not advocating the changing of the names, I think they are fine with the theme of this mod, I was just providing information to the curious

Longtooth · August 2002

Here are some suggestions for marine weapon names, not thier model numbers, I think it adds a feeling of depth to the weapons.
Kinfe-TSA Durablade Model 6
Pistol-TSA Companion
LMG-TSA Persecutor
HMG-TSA Light Bringer
Grenade Launcher-TSA Leveler
Welder-TSA W78 or Sparky
Shotgun-TSA Paladin
Trip Mine-TSA Insidious

Longtooth · August 2002

Read me! *BUMP*

Necro · August 2002

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Silver Fox @ Aug. 05 2002,07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, I'd say the HMG is a 'true' machine gun ..

Damn thing is heavier then hell, blasts the ammo out like you wouldn't believe, has a huge reload time and can drop almost anything in a few seconds.

However, I guess you could classify the LMG as an assualt rifle.

But, Flayra isn't making a weapons mod. I really counldn't care less if it was call 'Long thingie that shoots things of pain' Or LTTSTOP for short ... er .. something ...
O_o</td></tr></table>
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Some thoughts about the marine weapons

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