The Deeper Meaning Behind Ns

MelatoninMelatonin Babbler Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14551Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">coincidence? i think not...</div> someone wrote an interesting point about the res system for aliens being like communists, and i thought this topic was quite interesting...
flayra is definatly trying to work some kinda political ideas into natural selection, for what ends we can only speculate..

if the aliens are the communists, the res from res towers represents the payment for work from the state, a fair share for every man.
the gorgs represent the average workers who make the system work, while the skulk (with their increased rfk rate) are like the state in early communist russia, giving orders to the working class (build me DCs, make a hive!!!111)..

then the marines must be a capitalist democracy, due to the voting... all earnings are feed back into the government (rfk = tax) before being distributed among the people in services and support (guns)...

see it turns out natural selection 2.0 is a subtle propaganda designed to show communisms superiority over capitalism... and all this time you thought it was about aliens and marines...
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  • alius42alius42 Join Date: 2002-07-23 Member: 987Members
    I can only hope you aren't serious.
  • GrimmGrimm Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15448Members
    You must have a lot of free time on your hands. But, in a bad way.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited August 2003
    Charlie plan Alpha-Beta is compromised, move to strike, move to strike.

    Evil-1 requesting authority to judicate

    Blue team Nem activate Bravo Bravo Zeda to compensate

    I repeat Alpha-Beta has been compromised all monkies start dancing.
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    Riiiight. And by allowing for one or more admins who have a wide variety of controls with Metamod, we're trying to push the idea of humans becoming gods through machines, right? Please.
    For some reason I get this feeling in my stomache that sooner or later, one of us will come back to this thread and find it a huge discussion about "Nuh-Uh! The aliens are more like <insert economist name here> style <insert something derived from communism here>!" Won't lock it yet, though. Could provide a little more humor value.
  • p4Samwisep4Samwise Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10831Members
    I dunno, I think the marines are totalitarian commies. The comm doesn't get voted in, he seizes power early on, and is only removed if there's a coup.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited August 2003
    I agree with Sam, the marines are more of totaliran state whereas aliens are pretty close to a utopian Marxist state where they share resources but work towards their goals through individual cooperation.
  • p4Samwisep4Samwise Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10831Members
    The Protoss, by comparison, are more of a feudal monarchy.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    Whereas the Zerg are bit of an Imperal Dictatorship.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Aug 27 2003, 06:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Aug 27 2003, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dunno, I think the marines are totalitarian commies. The comm doesn't get voted in, he seizes power early on, and is only removed if there's a coup. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hell yeah. Stalinist communism in WW2 at it's finest <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • BigMadSteveBigMadSteve Join Date: 2003-02-12 Member: 13472Members
    edited August 2003
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    Hmmm no wonder I prefer aliens
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    Also the Admins are kind of like Fascist Tyrants ruling over the forums with an iron fist destroying all those who oppose them.....

    Erm-
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Ve haf vays of making you talk...
  • MelatoninMelatonin Babbler Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14551Members, Constellation
    so its communism: in practice versus the theory...
    i really like the idea of trying to claim NS is about communism verus capitalism tho, a much nicer ring to it...
    what if aliens were capitalist, because res from towers is state support (like the dole) and RFK is free market trade.
    then that way the evolutions and res for kills come into play, cos onos kill more than skulk, the rich get richer, while the poor just get by, it kinda works...
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    edited August 2003
    edit:

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=10&t=43180&hl=communism' target='_blank'>badabing.</a>

    edit2: i figured i'd post that so people could get bored reading about it and give up. otherwise, move out if you don't like democracy. i hate this "the true superiority of communism" crap. if communism is better, why the hell do i have so much fun here?
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    Communism has never existed in practice so we can't judge it's merits properly.

    That being said


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    Evil-1 we are ready to judicate please confirm Zeda Fox-trot hivemind

    Blue team Nem bravo team aquiring feedback from Zeda team, confirming strike

    Big Daddy Onos confirming Fox-trot hivemind, it's time to deepfry the onion rings boys.
  • MelatoninMelatonin Babbler Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14551Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Aug 27 2003, 08:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Aug 27 2003, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hate this "the true superiority of communism" crap. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    well if aliens are capitalist, and marines are communist, i dont see what the problem is?
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    i don't care who's who, we just simply can't call communism superior to capitalism because it hasn't been done right yet.

    capitalism, on the other hand...

    [looks around]

    [takes a deep breath through nose]

    *Siiiiigh*

    sweet, sweet capitalism.
  • WindelkronWindelkron Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Members
    I would say the 1.x alien resource economy was more socialist, while the marine economy was more dictatorial.
    The alien resource economy was communist in that the gorges, with the greater good in mind, would put down resource towers (and defend them), and all income from those were equally shared among the aliens (well I guess except the gorges, you could see them as the industrial workers/farmers being given more so they can produce more for the greater good)
    And marines were: the foot soldiers are told what to build, where to build, by the commander, all RPs goto commander (dictator) who should dispense said resources in the way he feels best.

    2.0, aliens are more capitalist now, how RFK works. Every alien works for himself, more successful aliens get more RPs, allowing them to evolve (become corporation?) and then gain more...
    while marines are now corrupt-communist, meaning they all contribute to the resource pool in ways that they choose (RFK), which a central government (commander) distributes (but not always equally).
  • WindelkronWindelkron Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Members
    edited August 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Aug 28 2003, 02:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Aug 28 2003, 02:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i don't care who's who, we just simply can't call communism superior to capitalism because it hasn't been done right yet.

    capitalism, on the other hand...

    [looks around]

    [takes a deep breath through nose]

    *Siiiiigh*

    sweet, sweet capitalism. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    mm, polluted air.










    sorry <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Windelkron+Aug 28 2003, 03:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Aug 28 2003, 03:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Aug 28 2003, 02:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Aug 28 2003, 02:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i don't care who's who, we just simply can't call communism superior to capitalism because it hasn't been done right yet.

    capitalism, on the other hand...

    [looks around]

    [takes a deep breath through nose]

    *Siiiiigh*

    sweet, sweet capitalism. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    mm, polluted air.










    sorry <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    that was the point. you didn't figure that out?

    the smell of it. the <i>taste</i>, nearly on my tongue. it's sheer ecstasy.
  • ForkehForkeh Join Date: 2003-08-11 Member: 19431Members, Constellation
    yes the communist had a big willy mamouth in which it ate enemies....
  • DiscoDuckDiscoDuck Join Date: 2003-01-17 Member: 12393Members
    OH NO! They Have figured it out .



    RELEASE THE BABLERS!!!111!!1one!!1!1
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    This thread is an excellent example of why I can't stand English Literature, and why I have such a problem with religion: finding all these little subtexts and meanings and inferences which weren't there in the first place, stitching them together with the barest of similarities, filling in the gaps with long words, and then handing it in as an essay. And if you fail to talk out of your backside to generate the filler, you fail the essay.
  • SariselSarisel .::&#39; ( O ) &#39;;:-. .-.:;&#39; ( O ) &#39;::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation
    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=44668' target='_blank'>The Original Thread</a>

    The NS 'capitalism' Kharaa fail when individuals refuse to contribute to the cause and care only for themselves and their own interests.

    The NS 'fascist-dictatorship' Marines fail when individuals rebel against the system or when the leader is a complete idiot.

    Anyone see the similarity to actual real life history?
  • SariselSarisel .::&#39; ( O ) &#39;;:-. .-.:;&#39; ( O ) &#39;::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation
    There really isn't any communism in NS, unless you play on certain clan servers where the clan members end up getting the wealth while the rest starve. There's always inequality amongst the marines, which is either a failed communism or a dictatorship-fascism.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    it would be really hilarious if, like in mao's red china, a huge percentage of the nation's grain was sequestered by the government, and without food, they would starve.

    the hive drains 5 res from each player every 10 seconds, so you have to work your f*cking a'ss off killing marines so you don't *DIE*, and you end up with maybe 4 res for yourself after a while. too bad.

    10 seconds passed, you're out of res! eat starvation, idiot.
  • ScinetScinet Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12489Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Melatonin+Aug 27 2003, 05:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Melatonin @ Aug 27 2003, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> see it turns out natural selection 2.0 is a subtle propaganda designed to show communisms superiority over capitalism... and all this time you thought it was about aliens and marines... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, yessss... Just like Dance Dance Revolution was only a clever communist plot to make DDR seem cool again. Oh, the sublime subliminals, when will they stop?

    If you bought the above, remember to strap on your regulation issue modified tinfoil hat and analyze your drinking water for traces of LSD before consuming.
  • WindelkronWindelkron Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Aug 28 2003, 07:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Aug 28 2003, 07:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it would be really hilarious if, like in mao's red china, a huge percentage of the nation's grain was sequestered by the government, and without food, they would starve.

    the hive drains 5 res from each player every 10 seconds, so you have to work your f*cking a'ss off killing marines so you don't *DIE*, and you end up with maybe 4 res for yourself after a while. too bad.

    10 seconds passed, you're out of res! eat starvation, idiot. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    rofl, that's a GREAT idea <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    I starte.. I mean head a rumor that Charlie Cleveland is really a rooski named Ch4r|13 C0mm1l4nd.
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