HAMBoneProbably the best CommanderJoin Date: 2003-04-02Member: 15139Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
edited August 2003
As long as theyre paying for the server they can do whatever they want. Any smart server admin who wants people to play on their server wont abuse their powers but if they do then you can always just move to another server =\
Sarisel.::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::.Join Date: 2003-07-30Member: 18557Members, Constellation
Admin abuse is defined as the instance in which a person with administrative powers uses them in such a way that has negative consequences on the game that is being played and on the players that are playing the game.
Admin powers used for unfair advantage or unreasonable punishment of players is abuse. Unfair advantage basically amounts to using admin abilities to cheat, and unreasonable punishment usually takes the form of kick/banning players who follow the server rules, or even making up new rules as you go and punishing players based on those.
edit: about the original post -- the level of punishment for things is pretty much up to the ops. They don't have to give you a warning before they kick/ban you. If you break the rules, they don't have to put up with you.
<!--QuoteBegin--Sarisel+Aug 27 2003, 05:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sarisel @ Aug 27 2003, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Perhaps we should make different acronyms for administrator vs. administrative abuse. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Or we could just not have posters like me who make silly replies even though they know what people are talking about...
Me heated comm, shouts, insults and wot not to get the comm job done.
ADmin bans, slaps, kicks because of it.
I say, "quote" recent post
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ok i shout down mic but i don't text spam - so you can mute. but tort (a admin on 'DSSG [OSS] www.osshq.net NS v2.0') continusly slaps slays and kicks. that is admin abuse. it's tort who seems to only have the notion that he don't have to mute me so i'll just kick instead. that ain't how a admin should act.
I don't know how many times i have to beat into into ppl's heads, if you don't want me to comm tell me.
If you can't handle my voice heat of the moments, mute me.
That doesn't give you the right to use me as a your admin punch bag.
It just shows your ignarance to the simple truth...MUTE.
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I mostly just say "if you don't like me on voice comm just mute me it's simple".
it's not on, there should be a set of rulez listed and you should only ever at least by discretion get one warning.
The server itself i go on coz of server spec and the regs i play with. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't attempt to put up with it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I mostly just say "if you don't like me on voice comm just mute me it's simple".<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are making the mistake of believing that your talking is more important than your teammates playing of the game. The team chat is not for friendly chatting, it is meant to be used when there is a need for QUICK communication.
If you feel the need to constantly talk, get a job doing telephone sales.
tolerating stupidity tolerating jerks tolerating things specifically prohibited in the console greeting running a server in a manner unapproved by the server owner paying for a server that you let run you rather than you running it
Simply put, abuse is only when you don't care for what you pay for. Admin abuse is NOT intolerance for morons and jerks, cheaters and scriptkiddies. Admin abuse does NOT consist of following through on consequences and warnings. Admin abuse does NOT consist of running <i>your</i> server in <i>your own way</i> if you're the one paying for it.
Heres an example from a game i played today. One of the admins f4's out of nowhere, 2 more people f4 after the admin and i join, the admin then goes on and on over his mic about how f4'ing is a bannable offense, and then one of the guys asks the admin how come he f4'ed and instead of giving a response just bans the guy who talked back to him
his server, his rules--if he's the one paying for it. if he's a lower admin and the owner would not stand by him, then you have a legitimate complaint and you might want to email abuse@emailaddyhere with a description (console dumps are better, just open console and type condump and hit enter) of the event and wonid/ip of the banned person and admin's name/wonid as well
<!--QuoteBegin--Rat+Aug 27 2003, 07:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rat @ Aug 27 2003, 07:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> abuse of admin on a server consists of:
tolerating stupidity tolerating jerks tolerating things specifically prohibited in the console greeting running a server in a manner unapproved by the server owner paying for a server that you let run you rather than you running it
Simply put, abuse is only when you don't care for what you pay for. Admin abuse is NOT intolerance for morons and jerks, cheaters and scriptkiddies. Admin abuse does NOT consist of following through on consequences and warnings. Admin abuse does NOT consist of running <i>your</i> server in <i>your own way</i> if you're the one paying for it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Will you marry me?
Admin abuse is a case where the admin uses her powers in some lame way
examples: Slaying entire enemy team. Kicking the marines comm. Giving one team or the other tons of resourses. Slaying enemy players he doenst like. Rewriting peoples config files. (use read only function). Randomly kicking people. Slapping. Burying.
Not Examples: Kicking/Banning (when justified). Lamma'ing people.
<!--QuoteBegin--Katsuro+Aug 27 2003, 10:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Katsuro @ Aug 27 2003, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Admin abuse is a case where the admin uses her powers in some lame way
examples: Slaying entire enemy team. Kicking the marines comm. Giving one team or the other tons of resourses. Slaying enemy players he doenst like. Rewriting peoples config files. (use read only function). Randomly kicking people. Slapping. Burying.
Not Examples: Kicking/Banning (when justified). Lamma'ing people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is not quite accurate.
The correct definition of "Abuse of Admin Priviliges" is:
1) The use of administrative priviliges to break the pre-defined server rules 2) The use of admin_execclient or related commands to alter client configurations, having lasting reprecussions on client performance even after joining a different server.
If the admin isnt breaking his own rules, or isnt causing lasting harm to clients outside his server, he is completely within his rights to !@*^ with you.
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edit: about the original post -- the level of punishment for things is pretty much up to the ops. They don't have to give you a warning before they kick/ban you. If you break the rules, they don't have to put up with you.
Or we could just not have posters like me who make silly replies even though they know what people are talking about...
NOT :
I only did one thing against the rules and I really like the server but I don't think it was that bad.
Me heated comm, shouts, insults and wot not to get the comm job done.
ADmin bans, slaps, kicks because of it.
I say, "quote" recent post
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ok i shout down mic but i don't text spam - so you can mute. but tort (a admin on 'DSSG [OSS] www.osshq.net NS v2.0') continusly slaps slays and kicks. that is admin abuse. it's tort who seems to only have the notion that he don't have to mute me so i'll just kick instead. that ain't how a admin should act.
I don't know how many times i have to beat into into ppl's heads, if you don't want me to comm tell me.
If you can't handle my voice heat of the moments, mute me.
That doesn't give you the right to use me as a your admin punch bag.
It just shows your ignarance to the simple truth...MUTE.
--------------------------------------------
I mostly just say "if you don't like me on voice comm just mute me it's simple".
it's not on, there should be a set of rulez listed and you should only ever at least by discretion get one warning.
The server itself i go on coz of server spec and the regs i play with. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't attempt to put up with it.
zippy
You are making the mistake of believing that your talking is more important than your teammates playing of the game. The team chat is not for friendly chatting, it is meant to be used when there is a need for QUICK communication.
If you feel the need to constantly talk, get a job doing telephone sales.
BZB
tolerating stupidity
tolerating jerks
tolerating things specifically prohibited in the console greeting
running a server in a manner unapproved by the server owner
paying for a server that you let run you rather than you running it
Simply put, abuse is only when you don't care for what you pay for. Admin abuse is NOT intolerance for morons and jerks, cheaters and scriptkiddies. Admin abuse does NOT consist of following through on consequences and warnings. Admin abuse does NOT consist of running <i>your</i> server in <i>your own way</i> if you're the one paying for it.
tolerating stupidity
tolerating jerks
tolerating things specifically prohibited in the console greeting
running a server in a manner unapproved by the server owner
paying for a server that you let run you rather than you running it
Simply put, abuse is only when you don't care for what you pay for. Admin abuse is NOT intolerance for morons and jerks, cheaters and scriptkiddies. Admin abuse does NOT consist of following through on consequences and warnings. Admin abuse does NOT consist of running <i>your</i> server in <i>your own way</i> if you're the one paying for it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Will you marry me?
When hackers are on the recieving end, admins are allowed to abuse all they like. Hackers deserve whatever the admin feels like dealing them.
examples:
Slaying entire enemy team.
Kicking the marines comm.
Giving one team or the other tons of resourses.
Slaying enemy players he doenst like.
Rewriting peoples config files. (use read only function).
Randomly kicking people.
Slapping.
Burying.
Not Examples:
Kicking/Banning (when justified).
Lamma'ing people.
examples:
Slaying entire enemy team.
Kicking the marines comm.
Giving one team or the other tons of resourses.
Slaying enemy players he doenst like.
Rewriting peoples config files. (use read only function).
Randomly kicking people.
Slapping.
Burying.
Not Examples:
Kicking/Banning (when justified).
Lamma'ing people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is not quite accurate.
The correct definition of "Abuse of Admin Priviliges" is:
1) The use of administrative priviliges to break the pre-defined server rules
2) The use of admin_execclient or related commands to alter client configurations, having lasting reprecussions on client performance even after joining a different server.
If the admin isnt breaking his own rules, or isnt causing lasting harm to clients outside his server, he is completely within his rights to !@*^ with you.