Is This An Exploit?
antifreeze
The guy with the goods! Join Date: 2003-05-12 Member: 16232Members, Constellation
The guy with the goods! Join Date: 2003-05-12 Member: 16232Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Devour</div> Came accross this today and it really started to **** me off.
The server admin had set kill delay to 10 seconds, whats wrong with that you might think... Well, this meant if a rine had suicide bound to a key and he got stomped he had time to hit kill then get devoured, but that stops the onos from eating somebody else, but then the rine suicides while been digested so the alien who ate him misses out on the res from that kill.
This i think needs fixing by cancelling a suicide while been devoured.
The server admin had set kill delay to 10 seconds, whats wrong with that you might think... Well, this meant if a rine had suicide bound to a key and he got stomped he had time to hit kill then get devoured, but that stops the onos from eating somebody else, but then the rine suicides while been digested so the alien who ate him misses out on the res from that kill.
This i think needs fixing by cancelling a suicide while been devoured.
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But if you hit a kill bind just before it can last upto 10 seconds, and because its a suicide the onos which devoured you dosnt get the kill res. also in 10 seconds an onos often has to pull out, so he dosnt get the chance to eat somebody else to catch the res it missed...
So rines get the player back quicker, and alien is deprived of res
My suggestion to flyra to fix this would be to cancel a suicide once devoured, and decrease devour time to 15 - 20.
it is the point of devour - you can't do anything for 30 seconds.
just because an exploit is possible does not mean it is therefore okay to use it, yes, even when other people are doing so!!!!!! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Maybe if u had 5 mines and were devoured... all mines exploded killing you.. and depending on the health of the onos.. him too
or if you had a grenade launcher.. 15 seconds into the digesting(assuming that it takes that long for the acid to eat throug the grenade shell).... all grenades exploded.. doing all thier damage to the onos and surrounding area..... hows THAT Mr. redeeming onos.. my 30 grenade rounds just took out you and your hive!! HAHAhA!!
Itd balance out the damn redeeming onos... and make "suiciding" with a pack of mines or a gl gun.. FUN!!!
~Jason
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hence why i will do anything to avoid it. The novelty of "I HOPE I GIVE YOU THE *****!" wore off perhaps the third time being devoured, now its just unnecessarily frustrating.
killing the onos before getting eaten mostly helps.
using an exploit doesn't.
Maybe suicides should be credited to the closest alien? It's not like they're crucial or anything, it's what you use when /stuck and /unstuck don't work.
It's pretty cheap to use something like that to rob another player of his kills, but I understand the frustration of being stuck inside the onus, it ain't fun. And all it takes is 100 res to do, the marines have nothing so aggravating for so cheap.
Meh...
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Marines can't do anything so aggravating for so cheap?
I dunno, but the last time I checked, 1 armory and 4 marines with GL's, constantly spamming was pretty damn aggravating. And if I'm not mistaken, the cost is relatively the same. Personally, I'd rather be eaten, than have to wait 3-5 minutes for the right opening to have a chance at getting a kill without having to die by a damn grenade.
As for the topic at hand.. Suiciding before getting eaten is rather pathetic. If you're actually making a push as a marine with your team and you get stomped, there's no point to suicide. Just take it like a man and hope the rest of your team can save you. If not, big deal. Use the 30 seconds to get up and stretch, or take a leak, or grab something to eat/drink. If there's 2-4 onos' camping your "Lunch Portal" (IP).. Then I see it as fine to suicide. Afterall, how do you fight lame? By being lame yourself. Other than that, it just pretty much shows how much you suck as a marine if your only defense to an onos is to suicide.
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The server admin had set kill delay to 10 seconds, whats wrong with that you might think... Well, this meant if a rine had suicide bound to a key and he got stomped he had time to hit kill then get devoured, but that stops the onos from eating somebody else, but then the rine suicides while been digested so the alien who ate him misses out on the res from that kill.
This i think needs fixing by cancelling a suicide while been devoured. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's been pointed out before, and it's not an exploit. A marine that has the foresight to trigger his suicide sequence deserves to deny the onos the kill. It's also a gamble - what if the onos doesn't manage to devour properly before being redeemed? What if the marine buddies would have killed the onos? That'll become more important under the next patch which prevents redeeming while digesting.
All it does is stops oni from eating LA marines. No sane heavy is going to risk it.
That is pretty cheap, I admit, and I missed it, but many people call that an exploit, and I agree. Do you consider "devour" an exploit?
I will surely ban anyone who tries to pull a trick like that on my server, but that's just me.
These are some of the reasons I see it used, none of them are valid all are simply ways to avoid the design of the game.
this little querks in the game make it more fun, as long as it's not totally abused, i think it ads character to the game. especially if it's something hard to pull off or doesn't make you invincible.
I mean really, if a marine doesn't want a parasite he can just repeatedly jump off of something and damage himself. Hell, I've lept off the landing pad a time or 2 to avoid watching the ns version of goatse.cx for 30 min. It seems silly to call what would normally be concidered bad play choices exploiting, if it provides a minor advantage in a limited area of the game.
how many gorges have distracted turrets from their hive so it could cloak and build unhurt? or abused the open space behind marine start on hera? or dropped an OC on a phase gate? are any of these truly exploits, I dont think so. Aliens are complaining when they are redemption Onos and near invincible.
Keep in mind this "exploit" compared to ones of the past. comm building, always invisible. etc...
If i'd suicide every time when i've been stomped, i would die twice as much as necessary.
Often enough i've managed to escape the maw - either the stun wore off just in time to jump away or the onos missed or redeemed a few steps away....
But of course there's no need to struggle after you've hit the kill-key already - just wait and die.
30 seconds is not long to wait... just the fact that your looking at some of the grossest **** to come on your screen while playing half life makes it seem like eternity.
there 90% of all complaints will stop.
The person who said 100 res for the power of an Ohnos is cheap.... do you realise that the alien players are only seeing like 1 out of every 5 ticks of their res nodes? 100 res for an Alien is like 500 in marine. R4K aside, Ohnos is NOT cheap. It deserves to have the power it has.
PROBLEM SOLVED!!!11
My suggestion to flyra to fix this would be to cancel a suicide once devoured, and decrease devour time to 15 - 20. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Join readyroom" also needs to be disabled. This way, the only way they will get out of his belly, is if they rejoin the server.