Flashlight Building

hyperionjjliu · August 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Is this an exploit ???</div> Ok, I was playing on a NS Custom Map server and I just need to get the facts straight.

1) Is flashlight building an exploit? (b/c Flay didn't remove it from NS 2.0 like he did with the other exploits)
2) Is it gonna be taken out in 2.1?

Also, as a side note, I also wanna know:
1) Is the Onos Stomp+Devour+Redeem combo/instant frag an exploit?
2) Is it gonna be removed in 2.1?

Thanks a lot everyone for your help!

BTW, sorry about my previous altercation. I didn't mean to tell people how to exploit/use in-game bugs.
Sorry again, guys. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

freeo · August 2003

Uhm... please edit your post immediately. You're not supposed to tell people how to use a game exploits/bugs on these forums...

hyperionjjliu · August 2003

um ... so?

Is FL building an exploit or not?

freeo · August 2003

Well, as long as you didn't mean it, it's all fine and dandy. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>1) Is flashlight building an exploit? (b/c Flay didn't remove it from NS 2.0 like he did with the other exploits)
2) Is it gonna be taken out in 2.1?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

1. I'd say the flashlight exploit is just that... an exploit. I personally deem it illegal. If the devs wanted you to be able to build as fast as you do with the exploit, they would've let you build that fast without it. A little confusing sentence, but you get the idea. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>
2. Not sure. Hopefully though.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>1) Is the Onos Stomp+Devour+Redeem combo/instant frag an exploit?
2) Is it gonna be removed in 2.1?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

1. Not really an exploit per se but highly abusable.
2. It has already been removed in the 2.01x beta patches. So the answer to your question is yes.

hyperionjjliu · August 2003

Cool! Thanks for the heads up on the info Freeo ...

And, again, sorry about the whole telling people how to exploit thing ... it wont' happen again <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

And yes, I agree that the Onos combo thing should be removed ... its really cheap. The other day, I was playing on a custom map server and a single Onos managed to devour + redeem an entire 3 person HA train by picking us off one by one ... cheap!

SinSpawn · August 2003

You should know instantly if it was an exploit, does the game manual tell you to do that? Do you read tactics about this? If its not mentioned to be used in-game its considered evil I.E pistol scripting

Maveric · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hyperionjjliu @ Aug 23 2003, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 1) Is flashlight building an exploit? (b/c Flay didn't remove it from NS 2.0 like he did with the other exploits)
2) Is it gonna be taken out in 2.1?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
1) Duh, yes it is
2) To my knowlage it's already been removed. i'll have to try in a LAN game.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Also, as a side note, I also wanna know:
1) Is the Onos Stomp+Devour+Redeem combo/instant frag an exploit?
2) Is it gonna be removed in 2.1?
</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

1) Stomp and devour are supposed to work together to eliminate rouge marines who think they can take on anything alone (aka Rambo) if you do not like this do not play, but i belive redeem when you're eating a marine was a under-sight <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>
2) I think the marine will be dropped if the onos gets redeemed. Not really sure, not much said about how it'll get fixed by the devs

Daxx · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maveric @ Aug 23 2003, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 2) I think the marine will be dropped if the onos gets redeemed. Not really sure, not much said about how it'll get fixed by the devs  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
You just won't get redeemed.

HKK · August 2003

What is flashlight building ? ive never heard of it, i don't want to know how to do it, i want to know what it does.

Gliss · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spawn @ Aug 23 2003, 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What is flashlight building ? ive never heard of it, i don't want to know how to do it, i want to know what it does.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
It makes you build millions of times faster.

(is this allowed? I'm not telling him how to do it, just what it does).

It's clearly an exploit, because with this thing, you can build resource towers faster than turrets.

morphz · August 2003

I thought that flashlight building was kind of killed off..?

<b>DONT USE IT ANYWAY</b>

onos stomp devour and redemp isnt a exploit, its been changed now so when onos eating a marine he cant redemp.

esuna · August 2003

To quote the <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/' target='_blank'>NS.org</a> main page:
</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>- Fixing all known exploits</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

So i presume that means the flashlight exploit is HOPEFULLY out in 2.1 since it's no secret whatsoever.

DarkWulf · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SinSpawn @ Aug 23 2003, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You should know instantly if it was an exploit, does the game manual tell you to do that? Do you read tactics about this? If its not mentioned to be used in-game its considered evil I.E pistol scripting  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Does the manual specifically tell you every place worth hiding in? Does the manual tell you those really cool spots to siege hives? Does the manual tell you how to play well as a skulk? Or how about when to reload? Will anyone ever explicitly tell you "If there is a skulk 1023 units away and you are out of LMG ammo, you should reload because the skulk can't close fast enough. However if there are two skulks, or the number of bullets in your pistol is greater than 3, you should instead jump while holding a feather to your head"?

Even if you looked in all the strategies ever written you would never find every single bit of that. Certain things come with experience, and writing everything off that is not immediately obvious as an exploit is a bad idea. This particular instance is a seriously bugged thing you should avoid, but I suggest you should also avoid making blanket statements.

zil · August 2003

I read a post where one of the vets/pts said that flayra used flashligth uilding himself and dosent consider it an exploit. Supposedly he didnt think it was worth removing it from the game. I dont know if its true but if it is it would be nice if the devs could come forward and say its a legitmite building technicque and ifs its not to get rid of the ability to do it. In some servers ive played on its not allowed and earns u a kick, on others the admins use it. It would be nice to get a final yes or no.

Gliss · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (zil @ Aug 23 2003, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I read a post where one of the vets/pts said that flayra used flashligth uilding himself and dosent consider it an exploit. Supposedly he didnt think it was worth removing it from the game. I dont know if its true but if it is it would be nice if the devs could come forward and say its a legitmite building technicque and ifs its not to get rid of the ability to do it. In some servers ive played on its not allowed and earns u a kick, on others the admins use it. It would be nice to get a final yes or no.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Do you have a quote or a link? I can't bring myself to believe that Flayra would use *something* that allows you to build buildings almost up to 5 times faster and not consider it an exploit.

hyperionjjliu · August 2003

Btw, its not 5 times faster or anywhere close to that.

I specifically timed it once ...

Time it takes to build a single RT by yourself W/O ANY exploits: 15 seconds
Time it takes to build a single RT by yourself with the FL exploit: 10 seconds

As you can see, FL exploit only gives about a 33% boost in building speed (which is quite significant mind you)~!

Flashlight Building

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