I agree with Ollj. Just kick/ban those spamming stalemating morons. GL is perfectly fine balance wise. Just these retarded marines are deciding to be lamers & extend the game by 3 hours. I'm pretty damn sure if every server started kicking/banning for geniune grenade spam like in the demo then there would be about 90% less stalemates. Maybe it might even teach the marines to *gasp* go out of their base, lock down hives & res nodes??
To the guy who said it wasn't an exploit, but a strat... I'm sorry, but constantly reloading your weapon while firing it IS an exploit. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that it isn't supposed to be like that.
Flayra would have put in mounted turrets if he wanted someone to sit in a stationary position and fire an endless supply of grenades.
We're here to play a game for fun, and hour long deadlocks are not fun.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nefilim+Aug 20 2003, 04:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nefilim @ Aug 20 2003, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To the guy who said it wasn't an exploit, but a strat... I'm sorry, but constantly reloading your weapon while firing it IS an exploit. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that it isn't supposed to be like that.
Flayra would have put in mounted turrets if he wanted someone to sit in a stationary position and fire an endless supply of grenades.
We're here to play a game for fun, and hour long deadlocks are not fun. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> um.. nefilim.. if you're constantly using an armory and shooting.. what aren't you doing? That's right, <b>moving</b>! That means the aliens have free run everywhere else, at least, and perhaps even to sneak in and kill you (if your armory isn't in MS, and being guarded by GL'ers)
<!--QuoteBegin--<Firespirit>+Aug 20 2003, 03:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (<Firespirit> @ Aug 20 2003, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i like 1/2 sentry damage to onos, this will give them a chance against HUGE turret farms, i would say that it would be good for the gl damage to be toned down a bit and umbra to get a bit stronger
ps: if i was an admin in a server with admin mod i would slay all the marines as soon as they spawn, or else i would kick the whole marine team for being lame i hate lame ppl <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> sad thing is that one of the admins was the commander, and a few were on the aliens team too.
66.28.81.31:27015 Evil | Clan NS v2.01b Beta Server
it was fun tho. even if i crashed 40 minutes into the gren spamming.
<!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Aug 20 2003, 03:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 20 2003, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Optikal+Aug 20 2003, 12:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Optikal @ Aug 20 2003, 12:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont have a problem with the gren spamming so relax a lil bro. Just a comment or two would do. Anyways it definetly is an exploit not that I have a problem with it but it is one. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Of course not, when your marine its always fine and dandy to spam and prolong the game. Gee for being a "veteran" you'd think youd have better things to do then show people ways to ruin the game.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Lets hold people to standards. Im taking a neutral stand on an issue so I never said I promoted it. Thanks you can write your apology to my email or visit me on IRC. Thanks.
<!--QuoteBegin--Chamooze+Aug 20 2003, 02:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chamooze @ Aug 20 2003, 02:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Perhaps this is more of a map design problem, than a game balance issue. Somehow, I get the feeling that if you design the map so that Kharaa can take out Marines last RT <b>before</b> they start assaulting the main base, there'd be a lot less boring, pointless stalemates.
Chamooze <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yea, but that would give the aliens another early game advantage. I think that vote_endgame mod would be a good solution.
<!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Aug 20 2003, 05:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 20 2003, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hah, the only thing Im sorry of is how somebody of your caliber is considered a "veteran" gg. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> somebody needs a hug <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Seriously, are there still people seething about not being able to play 1.1 for about 3-4 months while others were?
A bit off topic here, but I believe the light damage vs onos that turrets will do in 2.1 should help prevent these insane stalemates. Usually a stalemate is caused by constant GL spam coupled with a larj turret pharm.
Perhaps with this change we'll see a lot less end-game stalemates.
Hahah, I was on that server last night. It was so STUPID! We were just sitting there for half an hour just nade spamming. Someone figured out that if you stood by an armory and typed +use and +attack into the console, it would spam for you, freeing you up to get a snack or watch TV.
<!--QuoteBegin--Optikal+Aug 20 2003, 12:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Optikal @ Aug 20 2003, 12:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you want to see one hell of a stalemate I suggest you check this demo out. This is a stalemate that will never end. Aliens control entire map but we have about 4 armories and 7-8 grenade launchers spamming the entrances and the vent is welded so we dont have to cover our backs. Check it out. You'll probaly get a kick out of it.
<a href='http://www.teamng.org/grenade_exploit2.dem' target='_blank'>Grenade Exploit on ns_caged (500k)</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, I would have gotten a kick out of it if an admin slayed all of you....
<!--QuoteBegin--Optikal+Aug 20 2003, 12:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Optikal @ Aug 20 2003, 12:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont have a problem with the gren spamming so relax a lil bro. Just a comment or two would do. Anyways it definetly is an exploit not that I have a problem with it but it is one. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't blame him for not relaxing, you wonder why some people are quitting the game, its because of stupid crap like this.
<!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Torak+Aug 20 2003, 08:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Aug 20 2003, 08:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not to mention if you do decide to use charge on the turrets, you are pretty much a big target for the 8 GLers. Onos die pretty quick to direct hits with the GL. This kinda thing is totally lame and I wouldn't expect a vet to be proud of uselessly prolonging an end game in such a way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly, I can't believe they promote this crap. People like THAT tested 2.0? No wonder many people are leaving...
<!--QuoteBegin--SlothropX+Aug 20 2003, 01:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SlothropX @ Aug 20 2003, 01:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I see this sort of stuff as a huge balance problem. Marines might lose a lot in 2.0, but that is purely economics. Their combat ability is so far ahead of aliens that marines with miniscule resources can indefinitely hold off a team of aliens with unlimited resources and all hives. Kharaa economics need to be nerfed in 2.1, but their tier-to-even-tier combat ability needs to be boosted greatly.
Instead, it is getting dropped. Umbra is about the only ability which could possibly let an alien team assail a turret farm, and it is going down in effectiveness. Spores used to be the weapon of choice for dealing with entrenched marines, but the low damage and ineffectiveness against HA makes it useless for such a task in 2.0.
Instead of dealing with these topics, we're getting weaker umbra and stronger GLs. Do the devs really like stalemates? Because their changes are going to make them far more common in 2.1.
- Cheap electricity - No ono devour/redeem (about the only way to clear out HA from a fortified base) - Stronger grenades - Weaker umbra - Piercing HMG (kills onos even faster? not sure how "piercing" is numerically defined) - Cheaper armor/weapon upgrades (55 level 3 LMG bullets to kill an uncarapaced Ono, as I recall) - Random nerfs to hive cost, leap, celerity, healing spray
The two positive changes:
- Stronger bile bombs (not really useful, gorges can't approach GL spam and turret farms to use it) - Half sentry damage to Oni (simple counter: twice as many turrets! GL are most of the problem to Oni anyways)
It seems pretty clear that the standoff issue is only going to get worse. Aliens have no counter to GL nor turret farms. Lame indeed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly man, DON"T NERF ALIENS, just change around the marine econmoic system on upgrading and increase hive cost by FIVE and ONLY five res.
God, that kind of crappy changes will make me leave, and I've never made a threat like that, but I will NOT see Aliens revert back to 1.4.
<!--QuoteBegin--Optikal+Aug 20 2003, 03:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Optikal @ Aug 20 2003, 03:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> grimm i take it you didnt view the demo. people are still missing the reason i posted this thread. it wasnt to bash or praise nade spamming. it was to laugh at the demo. die! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But other people will be encouraged by it! THATS THE PROBLEM.
<!--QuoteBegin--Optikal+Aug 20 2003, 04:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Optikal @ Aug 20 2003, 04:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Aug 20 2003, 03:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 20 2003, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Optikal+Aug 20 2003, 12:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Optikal @ Aug 20 2003, 12:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont have a problem with the gren spamming so relax a lil bro. Just a comment or two would do. Anyways it definetly is an exploit not that I have a problem with it but it is one. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Of course not, when your marine its always fine and dandy to spam and prolong the game. Gee for being a "veteran" you'd think youd have better things to do then show people ways to ruin the game.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lets hold people to standards. Im taking a neutral stand on an issue so I never said I promoted it. Thanks you can write your apology to my email or visit me on IRC. Thanks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Um, how about no. As in, you have NO respect from quite a few of us.
<!--QuoteBegin--Speed 2 Dave+Aug 20 2003, 06:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Speed 2 Dave @ Aug 20 2003, 06:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Aug 20 2003, 05:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 20 2003, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hah, the only thing Im sorry of is how somebody of your caliber is considered a "veteran" gg. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> somebody needs a hug <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Seriously, are there still people seething about not being able to play 1.1 for about 3-4 months while others were? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't mind playtesters, you have me all wrong. I also don't mind veterans. I mind the attitude some of them cop with me on how "superior" they are to us. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Aug 20 2003, 08:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 20 2003, 08:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Speed 2 Dave+Aug 20 2003, 06:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Speed 2 Dave @ Aug 20 2003, 06:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Aug 20 2003, 05:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 20 2003, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hah, the only thing Im sorry of is how somebody of your caliber is considered a "veteran" gg. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> somebody needs a hug <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Seriously, are there still people seething about not being able to play 1.1 for about 3-4 months while others were? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't mind playtesters, you have me all wrong. I also don't mind veterans. I mind the attitude some of them cop with me on how "superior" they are to us. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly, I love some of the playtesters, hell most of the playtesters are great people, i.e: Vadakill, Voogru, Forum Mods, etc etc. And I love some of the vets, Pump N Scoot, etc etc, but its just... ugh, I can shove my differences aside, and I'll be able to get along with them, I just don't think its wise for ANYONE to show this kind of behavior in a game.
If it encourages even one more player to do that crap.... then..... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
not an exploit, and its not a strat either. its just something idiots do when they know they are going to lose. BUT if u have more then 6 aliens on your team, then u can win weather they have a turret farm and gren spams. trust me i won a game like this 1 the other day. 7 aliens vs 8 marines spaming grens abd turrets farms like crazy. U CAN WIN! ...T.... I.... ..P...
<!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Aug 20 2003, 08:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 20 2003, 08:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Speed 2 Dave+Aug 20 2003, 06:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Speed 2 Dave @ Aug 20 2003, 06:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Aug 20 2003, 05:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 20 2003, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hah, the only thing Im sorry of is how somebody of your caliber is considered a "veteran" gg. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> somebody needs a hug <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Seriously, are there still people seething about not being able to play 1.1 for about 3-4 months while others were? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't mind playtesters, you have me all wrong. I also don't mind veterans. I mind the attitude some of them cop with me on how "superior" they are to us. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> superior? i was posting a funny demo... too many nubs, u can flame vets all u want, doesnt change what YOU are
There's always a solution to every kind of spam problem that might pose in the game. Sure, the amount of numbers would increase the chances of success when spamming but, it only delays the inevitable.
Onos do have something called <b>devour</b> that can take out the strong gaurding HA's in the small base of Marines pretty effectively and trust me, that really pisses off anybody who is an HA with full health and full armor. For some reason, I think that skill for the Onos's should be nerfed somewhat.
The only real tactic that I have seen that works well with the grenade spam is everybody has to go Onos. It sounds extremely lame but, it actually works in the end if everybody charges at once since the people who are spamming the grenades can't dish out enough damage with six or seven Onos charging at the small Marine base. This actually happened to me a few nights ago. The Marine team (which I was on) was just spamming all entrances with grenades and then ten Onos just charged in. Needless to say, the fight was over in a matter of moments due to all the health roaming around in the one room.
Many people do agree that this tactic is lame when it comes down to winning and losing. Yes, it does prolong the loss but... the Marines will eventually lose.
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Flayra would have put in mounted turrets if he wanted someone to sit in a stationary position and fire an endless supply of grenades.
We're here to play a game for fun, and hour long deadlocks are not fun.
Flayra would have put in mounted turrets if he wanted someone to sit in a stationary position and fire an endless supply of grenades.
We're here to play a game for fun, and hour long deadlocks are not fun. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
um.. nefilim.. if you're constantly using an armory and shooting.. what aren't you doing?
That's right, <b>moving</b>! That means the aliens have free run everywhere else, at least, and perhaps even to sneak in and kill you (if your armory isn't in MS, and being guarded by GL'ers)
ps: if i was an admin in a server with admin mod i would slay all the marines as soon as they spawn, or else i would kick the whole marine team for being lame i hate lame ppl <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
sad thing is that one of the admins was the commander, and a few were on the aliens team too.
66.28.81.31:27015 Evil | Clan NS v2.01b Beta Server
it was fun tho. even if i crashed 40 minutes into the gren spamming.
Of course not, when your marine its always fine and dandy to spam and prolong the game. Gee for being a "veteran" you'd think youd have better things to do then show people ways to ruin the game.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lets hold people to standards. Im taking a neutral stand on an issue so I never said I promoted it. Thanks you can write your apology to my email or visit me on IRC. Thanks.
Chamooze <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yea, but that would give the aliens another early game advantage. I think that vote_endgame mod would be a good solution.
somebody needs a hug <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Seriously, are there still people seething about not being able to play 1.1 for about 3-4 months while others were?
Perhaps with this change we'll see a lot less end-game stalemates.
<a href='http://www.teamng.org/grenade_exploit2.dem' target='_blank'>Grenade Exploit on ns_caged (500k)</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I would have gotten a kick out of it if an admin slayed all of you....
I don't blame him for not relaxing, you wonder why some people are quitting the game, its because of stupid crap like this.
Exactly, I can't believe they promote this crap. People like THAT tested 2.0? No wonder many people are leaving...
Instead, it is getting dropped. Umbra is about the only ability which could possibly let an alien team assail a turret farm, and it is going down in effectiveness. Spores used to be the weapon of choice for dealing with entrenched marines, but the low damage and ineffectiveness against HA makes it useless for such a task in 2.0.
Instead of dealing with these topics, we're getting weaker umbra and stronger GLs. Do the devs really like stalemates? Because their changes are going to make them far more common in 2.1.
- Cheap electricity
- No ono devour/redeem (about the only way to clear out HA from a fortified base)
- Stronger grenades
- Weaker umbra
- Piercing HMG (kills onos even faster? not sure how "piercing" is numerically defined)
- Cheaper armor/weapon upgrades (55 level 3 LMG bullets to kill an uncarapaced Ono, as I recall)
- Random nerfs to hive cost, leap, celerity, healing spray
The two positive changes:
- Stronger bile bombs (not really useful, gorges can't approach GL spam and turret farms to use it)
- Half sentry damage to Oni (simple counter: twice as many turrets! GL are most of the problem to Oni anyways)
It seems pretty clear that the standoff issue is only going to get worse. Aliens have no counter to GL nor turret farms. Lame indeed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly man, DON"T NERF ALIENS, just change around the marine econmoic system on upgrading and increase hive cost by FIVE and ONLY five res.
God, that kind of crappy changes will make me leave, and I've never made a threat like that, but I will NOT see Aliens revert back to 1.4.
But other people will be encouraged by it! THATS THE PROBLEM.
Of course not, when your marine its always fine and dandy to spam and prolong the game. Gee for being a "veteran" you'd think youd have better things to do then show people ways to ruin the game.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lets hold people to standards. Im taking a neutral stand on an issue so I never said I promoted it. Thanks you can write your apology to my email or visit me on IRC. Thanks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Um, how about no. As in, you have NO respect from quite a few of us.
somebody needs a hug <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Seriously, are there still people seething about not being able to play 1.1 for about 3-4 months while others were? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't mind playtesters, you have me all wrong. I also don't mind veterans. I mind the attitude some of them cop with me on how "superior" they are to us. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
somebody needs a hug <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Seriously, are there still people seething about not being able to play 1.1 for about 3-4 months while others were? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't mind playtesters, you have me all wrong. I also don't mind veterans. I mind the attitude some of them cop with me on how "superior" they are to us. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly, I love some of the playtesters, hell most of the playtesters are great people, i.e: Vadakill, Voogru, Forum Mods, etc etc. And I love some of the vets, Pump N Scoot, etc etc, but its just... ugh, I can shove my differences aside, and I'll be able to get along with them, I just don't think its wise for ANYONE to show this kind of behavior in a game.
If it encourages even one more player to do that crap.... then..... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
"Friendly Fire"
Turn it on and watch the spam dissappear.
Seriously, on my other forums, I have 2K posts after a year of posting and I never double post. I have never seen so many posts made in a row.
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XENO ...DEVOUR!!...XENO!!...SPORES...DEVOUR...XENO!....DEVOUR.....HEAL DAMN YOU HEAL!
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I don't mind playtesters, you have me all wrong. I also don't mind veterans. I mind the attitude some of them cop with me on how "superior" they are to us. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
superior? i was posting a funny demo... too many nubs, u can flame vets all u want, doesnt change what YOU are
Onos do have something called <b>devour</b> that can take out the strong gaurding HA's in the small base of Marines pretty effectively and trust me, that really pisses off anybody who is an HA with full health and full armor. For some reason, I think that skill for the Onos's should be nerfed somewhat.
The only real tactic that I have seen that works well with the grenade spam is everybody has to go Onos. It sounds extremely lame but, it actually works in the end if everybody charges at once since the people who are spamming the grenades can't dish out enough damage with six or seven Onos charging at the small Marine base. This actually happened to me a few nights ago. The Marine team (which I was on) was just spamming all entrances with grenades and then ten Onos just charged in. Needless to say, the fight was over in a matter of moments due to all the health roaming around in the one room.
Many people do agree that this tactic is lame when it comes down to winning and losing. Yes, it does prolong the loss but... the Marines will eventually lose.