Everyone Please Read, And Suggestion To Flayra

include · August 2003

Guys, for crying out loud.These 02a/b/c patches are BETA. They are not final. Everyoen is going around having seizures because of a patch they don't like, and they act like it's final and set in stone.

It's BETA, and EXPERIMENTAL. Nothing more. He could totally remove all weapons and give everyone wet towels if he wanted. It doesn't matter, and it wouldnt ruin the NS game. Go play 2.0 if you don't like the beta versions.

As for my suggestion, too many people having heart attacks. Maybe it's best if we let future beta versions be playable by PT/Vets only, people who realise it isn't THE "NS" game. At least maybe a select "public PTs". Too many people keep taking beta seriously. Look how many people freaked out about the 2.01a skulk nerf. Now look, it's back to 2.0 settings again.....and it only happened for...what, a few days? Not even a week?

Calm down, it isn't "the end of NS, I quit"

Monkeybonk · August 2003

It's not that 'it's the end of NS I quit', it's the "Why the hell is it still going like this?!"

It's quite obvious that in 2.01 aliens are going to be nerfed. Hard. All 3 patches have made it harder on aliens and easier on marines.

include · August 2003

Just remember, 2.0 is all that officially exists. Beta is in la-la land right now. Who knows, maybe Flayra is just pushing to see what the aliens can handle, and the marines are next.

I'm in IRC, I'm in in-game, I'm in the forums. Everywhere, I'm hearing people saying they are gonna quit because of the beta patches.

Sarisel · August 2003

Urgh. Don't make the betas private - the feedback will be reduced by 200% or more. Just ignore or ban the whiners that can't understand what a BETA is. Give feedback on what the changes do, or just go and play 2.0. I'm sure if 2.0 was beta-tested in public, then there'd be tons of whiners that wanted it to stay at 1.04. Let the patches go, beta-test them if you want - if you can't handle or don't agree with the changes, just don't play the patch. Surely there isn't a hole in that sequence?

include · August 2003

Exactly. It's a privledge to be able to play the beta versions. If you don't like it, play 2.0 instead and wait for an official response. Once an official response is released and something "crazy" is in it, then you can have your heart attacks. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Unknown · August 2003

alot of you people who think they are more qualified to make balance calls from their pubs need a serious reality check.

These aren't arbitrary nerfs, theres balance issues and alot of people are working hard to see what can be done. None more than flayra. Relax.

and besides, no one is going to let one class get nerfed into oblivion. we're looking for BALANCE

Necrosis · August 2003

IMHO it looks like a reversal - making aliens have the same base hugging restriction as marines. Forcing them to think carefully about RT expansion.

This, to my eyes, is good for spotting where the real problems lie. From what I *read* it seems like hugging the base is a baaaaad strategy that costs games. In normal servers, marines hug base, die. In the beta, from what we are lead to believe, the opposite is true.

IMHO everyone needs to just take a deep breath, relax, play on their chosen servers, let the beta stuff work itself out. When we get a patch proper, then we can consider it. But right now its a headspin, more than likely to see if its a strategy issue rather than game issue.

Thats all my nub humble opinion though. Chill.

th0r0n · August 2003

I've been playing 2.0 solid, and I havent seen an alien win for about the last 10 games, I don't think aliens should be nerfed, the game is balanced as it is.

If people actually listened and played it for a while before saying OMG OMG OMG then we probably wouldn't have these beta patches right now.

I call for the settings in 2.0 to stand <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Sarisel · August 2003

I still hold to my opinion that most of the problems come from Marines playing by 1.04 style. If anything, the balance problems at the beginning with rapid expansion can be fixed by upping resource tower costs for the Kharaa.

nojmaster · August 2003

Yea, cos at the start of a game, all the skulks can run off, gorge and put up a res tower, thats 4 res towers 30 seconds into the game, rines are just getting ready to leave base.

Quaunaut · August 2003

Why isn't this getting locked? THIS IS _-=ECACTLY=-_ what I posted a week ago, and it was locked within 4 hours.

Not that I don't agree. People need to realize what "BETA" means, sure.

But why lock mine and not his?

Clint · August 2003

I like to see someone stop this. But it isn't going to happen. You will always have whiners, that will not learn. And won't adapt.

Well listen up kids, adapt, or don't play NS- it's that simple.

nojmaster · August 2003

no ones whining... all i see are opinions.

Spazmatic · August 2003

Personally, there's only one reason I see for the betas not to be private (yes, I'm almost advocating that), and that's skill. Even the PTs, while not being vets of death, are freakin' good, and it'd be nice if the testing involved some less supreme players as well.

That said, Flayra could always take a random sampling of non-flamers and get it done that way. And, no, 2.0 is NOT balanced (read: listen to vets), though it's a lot closer than most people give it credit for.

RyoOhki · August 2003

Well I've been playing the betas and giving feedback on them. Marines do have a substantial advantage in 2.01c, 2.01b seemed knife edged balanced actually, with maybe a few more marine victories than alien. I'm fully aware that they are betas and I try to be as constructive as possible when giving feedback. I'm certainly not whinging about them: Flay's just trying to get the balance right. I will say that 2.01c seems a little TOO harsh on the aliens, but that's my experiances from in game where the aliens have been hurting bad.

Spazmatic · August 2003

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Actually, I don't think he's even doing that, really. I think he's trying to find the real source of the imbalance (everyone has opinions on what that is, please don't recite them here), which would explain the very tough, and very focused nerfs on aliens. I somehow don't imagine Flayra deciding making the hmg a structure killer was the solution, but rather a way to find the problem.

Anyways, yeah, we love you Flayra.

Zorik · August 2003

They're not whiners... They're CSers.. pity them guys :<

Everyone Please Read, And Suggestion To Flayra

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