I'm Sick Of Marines *****ing

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  • ObliteraterObliterater Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9652Members
    edited August 2003
    Make some type of Pong/Tetris type game that you can play in the onos stumac. The storyline for it could be that the marine's nano armor can tell that its being digested, so cuts off all sensory imput to the marine and gives him something to do to make death less unpleasant.
  • RavlenRavlen Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7713Members
    My vote is to have the egg view... you can see, but only just barely. You could just basically make it first person view for an onos, and add the egg overlay.

    Presto, no more 30 seconds doing nothing.

    This would also balance devour a little bit, as you could see where the onos would run to... I suppose you'd have to make all chambers / aliens invisible while you are in the stomach, but you'd at least have an idea of where the oni are running to.

    Ravlen
  • Jmmsbnd007Jmmsbnd007 Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9793Banned, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ploem+Aug 4 2003, 07:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ploem @ Aug 4 2003, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And again the devour pops up.
    Come on, what's so bad about watching that beautiful pulsating Onos stomach?? Are you al so addicted to continious sensory overload that 30 seconds is that bad? Come on... commercials on American TV take longer than that. I'd rather watch a Devour screen 6 times in an hour than those stupid commercials.

    Seriously, people who kill themselves before being devoured deserve to be banned. You cheat the Onos out of his devour and you cheat the game balance (remember it is designed to keep you out of the game for a while). If people do it on our server they're gone forever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> And people say /kill is exploiting yet they run around Devouring/Redeeming all day. It's an in game command, deal with it.
  • saberxsaberx Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3044Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ploem+Aug 4 2003, 06:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ploem @ Aug 4 2003, 06:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Seriously, people who kill themselves before being devoured deserve to be banned. You cheat the Onos out of his devour and you cheat the game balance (remember it is designed to keep you out of the game for a while). If people do it on our server they're gone forever.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Since when is using the 'kill' command "cheating the game balance?" Using 'kill' is very useful in many situations. You can get back to spawn quicker in emergencies when there's no pg at your current location. You can 'kill' yourself if you're guarding spawn and are low on life, or out of ammo with no armory, instead of having the commander waste resources on healing you or giving you ammo.

    In the onos situation, you're being strategic in preventing the onos from getting the extra life from eating you. You still die from using the 'kill' command, so how are you cheating? You're even giving up any chance of possibly getting lucky and taking out a low-on-life onos. I see nothing wrong with using 'kill.'
  • PloemPloem Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18667Members
    edited August 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And people say /kill is exploiting yet they run around Devouring/Redeeming all day. It's an in game command, deal with it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah.. and chatting is an in-game option as well. Yet, people who use it in an offensive manner are not welcome.

    It's about the use of an in-game command, not about the command itself. Using kill to prevent the Onos from eating you is <b><i>incredibly</i></b> lame. Devour + Redeem is a choice of viable options. Doesn't matter if it's "balanced" or "fair"or not, as opinions really differ about that anyhow. Time will tell.

    I <b>really</b> have a real hard time understanding why people have problems with devour. I honestly laugh everytime I get devoured. People on our server say funny things about good meals, ugly Onos insides, whatever. They see the fun of it. I'm just completely amazed and flabbergasted at the amount of people that complain about it. It's one of the really cool additions to 2.0 and I would hate to see it go.

    Oh, and about the "deal with it", I'll deal with it allright. Admin_ban is all the dealing I'll need. I'm just happy that's not been necessary yet.

    Edit in response to post above.
    I honestly never thought about using the kill command for doing stuff like that. Actually I personally don't like it. You should be able to use kill in the very rare chance that you are somewhere you can't get out, or stuck real bad with no /stuck to help you. Not as a game tactic. But that's just me.

    In regard to Onos and devour. Look at it this way. In a real extreme scenario, everyone will know about /kill being very useful against Onos devour. So everyone will use it. Where is the function of devour then? What is the use of that Onos attack really, if marines can cheat you out of it? What happened to the devour being kinda a counterish thingie against HA?

    Ooooh a Kharaa is going to kill me??!? Let's just use /klll so they don't get resources.
    Oooooh I'm webbed, let's just use /kill before they kill me.
    And so on.
    Only one word: pffffff.
  • saberxsaberx Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3044Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ploem+Aug 4 2003, 06:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ploem @ Aug 4 2003, 06:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And people say /kill is exploiting yet they run around Devouring/Redeeming all day. It's an in game command, deal with it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah.. and chatting is an in-game option as well. Yet, people who use it in an offensive manner are not welcome.
    <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You're comparing apples to oranges there.
  • SpazmaticSpazmatic Join Date: 2003-05-10 Member: 16184Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You're comparing apples to oranges there. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    And you're a prune. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Kidding, of course.
  • LigerLiger Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18026Members
    Indeed, it's a game, I find that some people take it far to seriously...

    I mean, yeah it's annoying to be eaten after blundering right into a cloaked onos. But learn from that mistake, and fire at least one pistol round down the hall before advancing. And, if not sufficiently annoyed by it, I congradulate the Onos on his meal, maybe crack a joke about a wine list or dessert... Because I rarely have the patients to go Onos or lay cloaked for that strat...
  • PloemPloem Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18667Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You're comparing apples to oranges there. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No. I'm not. Saying something is an in-game command, so it's allright to use it in any way possible is a void argument.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And, if not sufficiently annoyed by it, I congradulate the Onos on his meal, maybe crack a joke about a wine list or dessert...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You, sir, are a wise man <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Yay, some people <b>do</b> understand <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->.
  • saberxsaberx Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3044Members
    edited August 2003
    nevermind, formatting sucks.
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    edited August 2003
    This is my 3 step easy-to-follow guide to prevent being devoured.

    Step 1.) Scream like a pansy.
    Step 3.) Turn 360 degrees.
    Step 4.) <span style='color:red'><b><u>RUN LIKE HELL!!</u></b></span>
  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
    hmm ride the onos?
  • LigerLiger Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18026Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--#Ha.Ze-+Aug 4 2003, 08:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (#Ha.Ze- @ Aug 4 2003, 08:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is my 3 step easy-to-follow guide to prevent being devoured.

    Step 1.) Scream like a pansy.
    Step 3.) Turn 360 degrees.
    Step 4.) <span style='color:red'><b><u>RUN LIKE HELL!!</u></b></span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    umm...
    1) maybe
    3?) uuuh... 360 = full circle
    4) definatly
  • voogruvoogru Naturally Modified (ex. NS programmer) Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1827Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--#Ha.Ze-+Aug 4 2003, 09:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (#Ha.Ze- @ Aug 4 2003, 09:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is my 3 step easy-to-follow guide to prevent being devoured.

    Step 1.) Scream like a pansy.
    Step 3.) Turn 360 degrees.
    Step 4.) <span style='color:red'><b><u>RUN LIKE HELL!!</u></b></span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    but why would you want to go towards the onos?
  • MonkeybonkMonkeybonk Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18859Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--voogru+Aug 5 2003, 12:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (voogru @ Aug 5 2003, 12:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--#Ha.Ze-+Aug 4 2003, 09:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (#Ha.Ze- @ Aug 4 2003, 09:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is my 3 step easy-to-follow guide to prevent being devoured.

    Step 1.) Scream like a pansy.
    Step 3.) Turn 360 degrees.
    Step 4.) <span style='color:red'><b><u>RUN LIKE HELL!!</u></b></span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    but why would you want to go towards the onos? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What's step 2? **** your pants?
  • FeannagFeannag Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18852Members
    The team randomizer tends to throw me at the Marines more, and though Onos are very tough AND annoying a few marines with shotguns or HMGs can still take them down in a reasonable span of time. I think it is late-game, assuming all upgrades to be had.
  • es_quatroes_quatro Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17468Members
    I wouldn't run from the onos, empty you clip, whip out your knife and kill it (It's probably more scared of you than you are of it), after all it's 2.0 and they do go down easy.

    Onos can go down with a couple of shots from a shotteh!

    I think devour is an awesome weapon. And I don't mind waiting to be digested. It would be cool if they a better digesting animation instead of pulsating red flesh. I want to see arms, legs of previous comrades that have fallen in battle and gone the way of the large intestine.
  • AposApos Join Date: 2003-06-14 Member: 17369Members, Constellation
    I think the solution is to have a very tiny center piece of the "stomach" actually be partly transparent (looking out the back of the onos): enough so that you can catch glimpses of what's out there, but the opening is too small to really see anything in detail.

    Benefits:

    -reveals very little, but occasionally some useful info "I think I can just make out a res tower, wait I think I'm in the noname hive... no subspace" so it WILL keep the marine's interest as they try to figure out where they are and any helpful info. It also gives a slight downside to devour/redeem: the onos has to consider that if it is going to redeem, the marine might catch a glimpse of hive status and defenses. Though of course the onos can also back up against a wall and shake it's butt just to taunt the marine and block any possible view.

    -the marine can also catch glimpses of any fellow marines chasing after the onos, which is both funny and heightens the suspense as he yells out for them to save him.
  • AposApos Join Date: 2003-06-14 Member: 17369Members, Constellation
    I also think that kill/f4 is a really really lame thing to do in any situation. Especially with the res for kills, it's steals anyway what the other player rightfully earned. I could kill myself anytime my health was low and I was under attack by skulks, just to make sure they didn't get my res.

    The problem is, those things need to be in there. The only way to really police them is to have admins ban abusers.
  • SalamanSalaman Join Date: 2002-11-23 Member: 9711Members
    I only use /kill when the aliens are being hella lame. Like this one time on they were just camping outside our spawn ,cloaked, just eating us as we came out. They made very half hearted attempts to finish us off(one out of the four camping would come in the base, eat a marine, gore another and walk out) and kept making weak devour jokes. Whenever one would come for me, I'd just use my kill bind before he got me.

    Eventually we decided to recycle the IPs after this had gone on for about ten minutes.
  • antifreezeantifreeze The guy with the goods&#33; Join Date: 2003-05-12 Member: 16232Members, Constellation
    Balance is fine, just rines wont work in a team.... They will learn.
    I like been devoured, it gives me chance to go get a drink.
  • lazygamerlazygamer Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 126Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wouldn't run from the onos, empty you clip, whip out your knife and kill it (It's probably more scared of you than you are of it), after all it's 2.0 and they do go down easy.

    Onos can go down with a couple of shots from a shotteh!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    AHHAHA! You gotta be shittin me! Onos is not THAT weak. I've tried shottie fun with them before. I See the Ono fairly close, and BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG and I still die. Now if you had some shottie armed teammates joining in, then the Ono would be dying.
  • spyduckspyduck Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18939Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--BattleTech+Aug 4 2003, 05:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BattleTech @ Aug 4 2003, 05:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Onos would be the last-thing I'd whine about.
    Devour wait-time's is another story. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thats the whole f***** point retard.
  • NanpaMasterNanpaMaster Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18688Members
    <!--c1--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->
    I wouldn't run from the onos, empty you clip, whip out your knife and kill it (It's probably more scared of you than you are of it), after all it's 2.0 and they do go down easy.
    <!--c2--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
    Sounds like my kind of guy. When I was on n00b NS servers and I had time to play around while I was a marine, when we were screwed beyond all point of going back on bast and eclipse, instead of doing the F4 I chose to turn around, empty my clips, and knife the poor Khaara. It's quite amusing, seeing yourself get a 1:4 kill:die ratio, but that's the name of the game <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.

    <!--c1--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->
    Onos can go down with a couple of shots from a shotteh!
    <!--c2--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
    What are you smoking?

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    I think devour is an awesome weapon. And I don't mind waiting to be digested. It would be cool if they a better digesting animation instead of pulsating red flesh. I want to see arms, legs of previous comrades that have fallen in battle and gone the way of the large intestine.
    <!--c2--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
    Or for you guys out there who were talking about pong, I suggest maybe a mini-game like marines vs aliens for SNES or something. I would be willing to help out on that if I got a hold of the NS source code <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.
    But seriously, I don't see why many of you are complaining. This's just one way of avoiding the ever popular tech rush, and onos aren't that great. Personally I think that fade with redemption, adrenaline, and cloaking is better, but that's me....
  • My_Personal_InsanityMy_Personal_Insanity Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14900Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Pepe_Muffassa+Aug 4 2003, 06:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pepe_Muffassa @ Aug 4 2003, 06:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i love devour as a marine - I was a heavy that got eaten and my teammates killed the redemption onos, but a glitch happened. I popped out right next to the hive with near full health. I allerted my comm, and he immediatly built a phaze gate and our whole team avoided a bunch of fighting and took down a hive with no resistance - it was way cool. - so there is a warning for all you redemption oni out there - it may come back and bite you in the rear. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I've seen this happen a couple times as a redemption onos: die and leave a marine in the hive. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Lucky for me niether of them were as quick to
    capitalize on it the way your team did, they just
    knifed the hive until skulks got them.
  • ZmaggZmagg Join Date: 2003-07-31 Member: 18617Members
    i still think marines being digested shouldnt cloak with the onos <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> so youd just see a marine floating around
  • DroopyDaDogDroopyDaDog Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17479Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--voogru+Aug 5 2003, 12:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (voogru @ Aug 5 2003, 12:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--#Ha.Ze-+Aug 4 2003, 09:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (#Ha.Ze- @ Aug 4 2003, 09:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is my 3 step easy-to-follow guide to prevent being devoured.

    Step 1.) Scream like a pansy.
    Step 3.) Turn 360 degrees.
    Step 4.) <span style='color:red'><b><u>RUN LIKE HELL!!</u></b></span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    but why would you want to go towards the onos?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because you -Are- going to circle strafe knife his chunky arse .... what, don't gimmie that look, someone said an onos dies in two shotteh hits <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> pick on him *kiddin'!* <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    slightly more on topic, heh, yea lotsa whining and that about aliens but *cough, cough, choke* balance pfft <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> it's kinda accepted that aliens have an advantage, the advantage size is debatable, and that's why on most pub games i see aliens with 2 more players than marines (stacking, gracefull loosing obviously isn't as good as graceful winning <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> ). Doesn't help that too many com's have reverted to CC slime, heh never alterin' the plan to fit how the games going and still following the com's clipcard : "Tech, grab a few rts, but don't be ambitious, let the aliens have 2/3 the res because you will be scared to risk leaving base without HA and turret farm, never give marines attack orders for anything but hives, and never without spending hours letting the aliens prepare whilst you get those lvl 3 everything/full team HA... P.S -When- you are positively going to loose, and are stuck on 1 rt vs the whole map fulla alien rts/hives, turret up even more to drag the game on needlessly <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> "

    <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> ah, there's my rant(s) all in one, now put me on the pile... the big one over there with everyone who's ranted since 2.0, so i dun feel alone <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • FreemantleFreemantle Join Date: 2002-06-16 Member: 783Members
    I'm just saying this because it needs to be said.

    Anyone who evolves Redemption as an Onos deserves to be kicked in the face hard.
    PM me if you think I am wrong.
  • ClintClint Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18816Members
  • Frogg2Frogg2 Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4867Members, Constellation
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