<!--QuoteBegin--My Personal Insanity+Jul 30 2003, 11:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (My Personal Insanity @ Jul 30 2003, 11:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--SlothropX+Jul 30 2003, 11:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SlothropX @ Jul 30 2003, 11:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I as well am curious as to why Nancy is out. It seems quite popular on 1.04 servers. What's the deal, <i>M. Evil</i>? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uhm... I think it's been said a million times that nancy's source is lost, so it cannot be tweaked for 2.0 gameplay... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Missed all this, the above posts only noted that Bast's source was missing, I didn't know Nancy went with it.
I hope some intrepid soul either fixes the issues on the BSP level or remakes the map. If they do, what would they name noname?
<!--QuoteBegin--coris+Jul 30 2003, 12:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jul 30 2003, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Couldnt Devildog use winbsp, fix the miss aligned textures and corrupt brushes, and then recompile it? IT would take some work, but it *would* be possible, if he REALLY wanted to do it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If it were that easy, I'm sure DD would have already done it. But it's not.
<!--QuoteBegin--Freemantle+Jul 30 2003, 09:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Freemantle @ Jul 30 2003, 09:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is Humbaba's water trick still viable? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Who's Humbaba? as fo water trick, I assume you mean building Atlantis? I've been doing that forever... like since mid-november
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jul 30 2003, 11:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jul 30 2003, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--coris+Jul 30 2003, 12:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jul 30 2003, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Couldnt Devildog use winbsp, fix the miss aligned textures and corrupt brushes, and then recompile it? IT would take some work, but it *would* be possible, if he REALLY wanted to do it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If it were that easy, I'm sure DD would have already done it. But it's not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I used to be a mapper, and my friend is one helluva good one, so I KNOW its possible (if he hasnt "protected" it from decompiling, á la 3dMike), but it will require LOTS of work fixing all the problems decompiling causes.
ThinGLord of wub and vlaaiJoin Date: 2003-04-11Member: 15400Members, Reinforced - Supporter
Bast was my fav tbh <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Bah, as a mapper one should be able to endure critisisism... it kind of goes with it...
There will always people who don't like what you do, but there will also be alot who do <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--coris+Jul 30 2003, 01:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jul 30 2003, 01:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jul 30 2003, 11:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jul 30 2003, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--coris+Jul 30 2003, 12:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jul 30 2003, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Couldnt Devildog use winbsp, fix the miss aligned textures and corrupt brushes, and then recompile it? IT would take some work, but it *would* be possible, if he REALLY wanted to do it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If it were that easy, I'm sure DD would have already done it. But it's not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I used to be a mapper, and my friend is one helluva good one, so I KNOW its possible (if he hasnt "protected" it from decompiling, á la 3dMike), but it will require LOTS of work fixing all the problems decompiling causes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Feel free to try, we can't stop you, obviously; however, I guarantee that neither you nor your friend have never successfully decompiled and recompiled an NS map. Let us know how it all goes, and be sure to wear a cap to cover all your hair being torn out <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> .
Edit: forgot about Thing's point - like I said, bast is still in there. And the mapper had been listening to crap for a year straight, from people that could sooner fly than map. He just reached his breaking point, had a kid on the way, and was done having to put up with morons. I feel for him, personally.
I've never heard anyone on Roob's server complain about Bast, IMO it's one of the finest maps. Great vents, Marines + gorges can get between hives without having to take some insane detour, good looking all round.
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jul 30 2003, 11:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jul 30 2003, 11:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Don't worry, it's creator 'Devildog' is working on his next NS masterpiece even as we speak. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ahh...then i mourn less for ns_nancy, and more for ns_bast. I cant believe the creator of bast has to leave on such a sour note. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
M. Evil, I'm sorry but i wont try. Why? Becouse it's illegal. I haven't got the right of using something that another person has created for creating new things and such, in anyway, without his permission.
That_Annoying_KidSire of TitlesJoin Date: 2003-03-01Member: 14175Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jul 30 2003, 10:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jul 30 2003, 10:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> like I said, bast is still in there. And the mapper had been listening to crap for a year straight, from people that could sooner fly than map. He just reached his breaking point, had a kid on the way, and was done having to put up with morons. I feel for him, personally. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm very glad to hear that bast is in, it is and always will be my favorite map from NS, it's basically where I learned the game (I can remeber when I got stuck in feedwater trying to find the exit for like 5 minutes, and their are three of them <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->)
next time you come in contact with him tell him I said I love it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
It sucks about nancy and basts' creator leaving like that. I like bast it was one of my favs. Then alot of servers began dropping it. Eh maybe he will come back sometime and bring another great map with him. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--coris+Jul 30 2003, 01:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jul 30 2003, 01:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> M. Evil, I'm sorry but i wont try. Why? Becouse it's illegal. I haven't got the right of using something that another person has created for creating new things and such, in anyway, without his permission. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I am giving you permission - please, we'd love to see you succeed so we could get a popular map fixed up and put back in, at least as a map pack. Go forth and conquer, young man!
Why not start a petition for the creator of bast. Just so that he knows we appreciate his work <b>very</b> much and thank him. I don't want him to feel bad just because of a bunch of untactful kiddies.
tankefuglOne Script To Rule Them All...Trondheim, NorwayJoin Date: 2002-11-14Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
<!--QuoteBegin--eggmac+Jul 30 2003, 02:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eggmac @ Jul 30 2003, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why not start a petition for the creator of bast. Just so that he knows we appreciate his work <b>very</b> much and thank him. I don't want him to feel bad just because of a bunch of untactful kiddies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Word.
I definetly agree on that.
I tried to send him an email telling how much i appriciate his work, but i sent it to an old adress... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jul 30 2003, 10:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jul 30 2003, 10:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To worsen the issue, the maper himself got fed up with a lot of criticisms of the map by players and veterans, and left the mod entirely, and we've been unable to contact him since. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What the? Bast is a great map! Time too go on a killing spree
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jul 30 2003, 01:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jul 30 2003, 01:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--coris+Jul 30 2003, 01:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jul 30 2003, 01:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> M. Evil, I'm sorry but i wont try. Why? Becouse it's illegal. I haven't got the right of using something that another person has created for creating new things and such, in anyway, without his permission. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I am giving you permission - please, we'd love to see you succeed so we could get a popular map fixed up and put back in, at least as a map pack. Go forth and conquer, young man! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry to make you dissappointed, but my friend tried to de-compile some maps, and the only 2 maps that you cant decompile are, ironiclly, bast and nancy. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
well i don't think legal issues would be the matter because isnt the maps in the property of the ns team when maps are submitted. so it could be done if you could decompile them but i see that some 1 sais you cant. sooo.. there are harder ways to accomplish things. ns_nancy <img src='http://members.cox.net/sam-woo/Half-life/Maps/ns_nancy.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image'> ns_bast <img src='http://members.cox.net/sam-woo/Half-life/Maps/ns_bast.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image'> who wants to recreate a map based on 2d slices? (and i cant use these without giving credit to <a href='http://www.planethalflife.com/botman/bsp_tool.shtml' target='_blank'>Bsp_tools</a> for making these)
or we could locate the hard drives and get some hardware scientists to recover the data. if we could get enuff support... somehow.
SuBAusNS Forum AdminJoin Date: 2003-02-18Member: 13723Members
I know you said you haven't been able to contact him Monse, but just in case he someday re-appears please let him know from all of us that there is a great many people who LOVE ns_bast, and think it is one of the greatest achievements in the whole NS world.
It is so atmospheric and eerie in places, lots of strategic points... and I've ALWAYS loved the cockpit... I just think it's so damn cool with the chairs and the instruments and the dials and the view out into space.
Don’t get me started on the hives, which are IMO the coolest hives on any map.
It really pains me to think that he would have been so offended by people’s criticisms that he'd rather leave than continue on with the NS dev team... just another example of how peoples incessant, immature and selfish criticisms and mindless condemnation can eat away at the quality of not only the community but the dev team itself. He is certainly a valuable component to lose. I would have loved to have seen what else he could create.
If some one want to remake the map i can recomend this to get all the textures and some other stuff correct <a href='http://countermap.counter-strike.net/Nemesis/index.php?p=18' target='_blank'>http://countermap.counter-strike.net/Nemes.../index.php?p=18</a>
I, too, was disappointed to see nancy go. It looked and played great.
Hey, I've got some free time... I could try and remake ns_nancy from scratch, using the old one as a reference. I can use BSP View alongside Worldcraft to get the world fleshed out, then use Ripent to insert the entities back in.
I'll let you know how it goes! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
edited August 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hera and Bast were always my favourites - they were the true essence of NS maps in ambience and before everyone learnt the steadfast strategies on the 2 maps they were so much fun. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yea on NS_Bast, going down that elevator with a squad of 6 marines. All paranoid and not knowing what to expect around the next corner. We all took up nervous positions around that blast door. One marine ran up and opened it. "Squad! Move in!" From the comm. It felt just like ALIENS when they first go inside.
Yea and NS_Nancy was my first map/game in v1.0. Ill miss it. Those mess hall battles, rushing back to defend port. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> *gets all misty eyed. It was my favorite map.
When I first read this post I found it quite odd - if Bast is the one with refinery and feedwater hives, I've played it on 2.0 today (or was it yesterday, hmm). The aliens (my team) got smash though so we never had a chance to field <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> .
yeah original hera had a beautiful outdoor scene that we just couldn't reach :/ also hera entrance and reception w/ the hallway was very well done, I felt like I was visiting hera station.
bast was my favorite 1.04 map, it was perfectly done, PERFECT, it felt good enough to be a single player game or a game otherwise entirely focused on the spaceship bast and its adventures.
IMO more maps need this complex and authentic spaceship feel, and more maps need awesome vistas as hera and lost.. however I never liked lost and new hera isn't as charming anymore. You may not care but otherwise I ask the mappers to improve upon the scenery - damn that's some good stuff
Also experiment with more 3 dimensional map styles, involving more Z axis action, and perhaps outdoorish maps or monumental maps.. just experiment, 's all, it may be quite cool..
Bast was unfairly criticized in the beginning. The devs apparently extended the range of seiges just prior to release, which led to the infamous bug of seiging Engine hive from Marine spawn. That was hardly the fault of the mapper. When the seige range was reduced again, Bast really came into its own. It has by far the best ambience and gameplay of any of the old, or new, maps. Its sad that the source has been lost, for that means it won't be in 3.0, whenever that comes out. (Perhaps someone could reverse-engineer it?)
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Uhm... I think it's been said a million times that nancy's source is lost, so it cannot be tweaked for 2.0 gameplay...
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Missed all this, the above posts only noted that Bast's source was missing, I didn't know Nancy went with it.
I hope some intrepid soul either fixes the issues on the BSP level or remakes the map. If they do, what would they name noname?
IT would take some work, but it *would* be possible, if he REALLY wanted to do it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If it were that easy, I'm sure DD would have already done it. But it's not.
Who's Humbaba? as fo water trick, I assume you mean building Atlantis? I've been doing that forever... like since mid-november
IT would take some work, but it *would* be possible, if he REALLY wanted to do it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If it were that easy, I'm sure DD would have already done it. But it's not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I used to be a mapper, and my friend is one helluva good one, so I KNOW its possible (if he hasnt "protected" it from decompiling, á la 3dMike), but it will require LOTS of work fixing all the problems decompiling causes.
Bah, as a mapper one should be able to endure critisisism... it kind of goes with it...
There will always people who don't like what you do, but there will also be alot who do <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I want my bast back...
IT would take some work, but it *would* be possible, if he REALLY wanted to do it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If it were that easy, I'm sure DD would have already done it. But it's not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I used to be a mapper, and my friend is one helluva good one, so I KNOW its possible (if he hasnt "protected" it from decompiling, á la 3dMike), but it will require LOTS of work fixing all the problems decompiling causes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Feel free to try, we can't stop you, obviously; however, I guarantee that neither you nor your friend have never successfully decompiled and recompiled an NS map. Let us know how it all goes, and be sure to wear a cap to cover all your hair being torn out <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> .
Edit: forgot about Thing's point - like I said, bast is still in there. And the mapper had been listening to crap for a year straight, from people that could sooner fly than map. He just reached his breaking point, had a kid on the way, and was done having to put up with morons. I feel for him, personally.
Ahh...then i mourn less for ns_nancy, and more for ns_bast. I cant believe the creator of bast has to leave on such a sour note. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
it's a shame he was driven away by some idiots. i would like to have seen what other stuff he could make.
Why? Becouse it's illegal. I haven't got the right of using something that another person has created for creating new things and such, in anyway, without his permission.
I'm very glad to hear that bast is in, it is and always will be my favorite map from NS, it's basically where I learned the game (I can remeber when I got stuck in feedwater trying to find the exit for like 5 minutes, and their are three of them <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->)
next time you come in contact with him tell him I said I love it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
very happy it's still with us in 2.0
Why? Becouse it's illegal. I haven't got the right of using something that another person has created for creating new things and such, in anyway, without his permission. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am giving you permission - please, we'd love to see you succeed so we could get a popular map fixed up and put back in, at least as a map pack. Go forth and conquer, young man!
Bast is my favorite map, ever.
Just my two cents.
Word.
I definetly agree on that.
I tried to send him an email telling how much i appriciate his work, but i sent it to an old adress... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
What the?
Bast is a great map!
Time too go on a killing spree
Why? Becouse it's illegal. I haven't got the right of using something that another person has created for creating new things and such, in anyway, without his permission. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am giving you permission - please, we'd love to see you succeed so we could get a popular map fixed up and put back in, at least as a map pack. Go forth and conquer, young man! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry to make you dissappointed, but my friend tried to de-compile some maps, and the only 2 maps that you cant decompile are, ironiclly, bast and nancy. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I support, and would sign a peition (thank you card) to the great mapper who retired to early. (who's name escapes me.)
so it could be done if you could decompile them but i see that some 1 sais you cant. sooo..
there are harder ways to accomplish things.
ns_nancy
<img src='http://members.cox.net/sam-woo/Half-life/Maps/ns_nancy.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
ns_bast
<img src='http://members.cox.net/sam-woo/Half-life/Maps/ns_bast.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
who wants to recreate a map based on 2d slices?
(and i cant use these without giving credit to <a href='http://www.planethalflife.com/botman/bsp_tool.shtml' target='_blank'>Bsp_tools</a> for making these)
or we could locate the hard drives and get some hardware scientists to recover the data. if we could get enuff support... somehow.
It is so atmospheric and eerie in places, lots of strategic points... and I've ALWAYS loved the cockpit... I just think it's so damn cool with the chairs and the instruments and the dials and the view out into space.
Don’t get me started on the hives, which are IMO the coolest hives on any map.
It really pains me to think that he would have been so offended by people’s criticisms that he'd rather leave than continue on with the NS dev team... just another example of how peoples incessant, immature and selfish criticisms and mindless condemnation can eat away at the quality of not only the community but the dev team itself. He is certainly a valuable component to lose. I would have loved to have seen what else he could create.
Love live ns_bast!
Best wishes to it’s creator!
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I always liked Bast,it was the first map I've played on,and is still my favorite map.If the mapper of sn_bast ever came back,give him my regards MonsE
I will miss nancy alot,goodbye noname hive....goodbye port engine hive....goodbye uber-vulnerable-to-fades-due-to-mines marine start....=\
Hey, I've got some free time... I could try and remake ns_nancy from scratch, using the old one as a reference. I can use BSP View alongside Worldcraft to get the world fleshed out, then use Ripent to insert the entities back in.
I'll let you know how it goes! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Yea on NS_Bast, going down that elevator with a squad of 6 marines. All paranoid and not knowing what to expect around the next corner. We all took up nervous positions around that blast door. One marine ran up and opened it.
"Squad! Move in!" From the comm. It felt just like ALIENS when they first go inside.
Yea and NS_Nancy was my first map/game in v1.0. Ill miss it. Those mess hall battles, rushing back to defend port. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> *gets all misty eyed. It was my favorite map.
bast was my favorite 1.04 map, it was perfectly done, PERFECT, it felt good enough to be a single player game or a game otherwise entirely focused on the spaceship bast and its adventures.
IMO more maps need this complex and authentic spaceship feel, and more maps need awesome vistas as hera and lost.. however I never liked lost and new hera isn't as charming anymore. You may not care but otherwise I ask the mappers to improve upon the scenery - damn that's some good stuff
Also experiment with more 3 dimensional map styles, involving more Z axis action, and perhaps outdoorish maps or monumental maps.. just experiment, 's all, it may be quite cool..