<!--QuoteBegin--|FIRM|Superfly+Jul 28 2003, 10:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (|FIRM|Superfly @ Jul 28 2003, 10:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I am a bit scared of a 5 year false ban. So for now I will stick with it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Pretty much the reason I won't be using it.
Had absolutely nps with it on my cs server and dont forsee any problems with it on ns <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Depends on how effective VAC is, I'd prefer to use both. Not worrued in the least about false bans since every time a false ban is detected they cleanse the relevant banlist.
If players have to update their anti cheat software, you tend to get the players who actually want to play and not the muppets who muck around a lot.
Besides, continuing to use CD will be good for UA and good for the gaming community - prompting regular updates to stay ahead of hackers by the team that has helped us enormously so far.
<!--QuoteBegin--Roobubba+Jul 29 2003, 07:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roobubba @ Jul 29 2003, 07:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CD all the way.
If players have to update their anti cheat software, you tend to get the players who actually want to play and not the muppets who muck around a lot.
Besides, continuing to use CD will be good for UA and good for the gaming community - prompting regular updates to stay ahead of hackers by the team that has helped us enormously so far.
Roo <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Very valid points there.
By forcing players to use CD, 50% of your potential players are probably turned away, sure it makes the server cheating free, but it's a hassle that I hate going through just to play a game. There are nowhere near as many cheaters in NS as CS, and cheating is usually evident, then LB or someone will ban them...
And please, please, please call cheaters "cheaters" and not "hackers"... Someone who attempts to get into a passworded server, get rcon access, AM/AMX access that should not is a hacker.
<!--QuoteBegin--r4m3n_n00dles+Jul 29 2003, 06:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (r4m3n_n00dles @ Jul 29 2003, 06:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> By forcing players to use CD, 50% of your potential players are probably turned away, sure it makes the server cheating free, but it's a hassle that I hate going through just to play a game. There are nowhere near as many cheaters in NS as CS, and cheating is usually evident, then LB or someone will ban them...
And please, please, please call cheaters "cheaters" and not "hackers"... Someone who attempts to get into a passworded server, get rcon access, AM/AMX access that should not is a hacker. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry if I sound evil, but that is the point. On very popular servers, there might be a line of four or five people waiting to get in. When you enable CD, it eliminates the people who tend to muck around, and it allows the for those who really want to play to join. If CD is too much of a hassle, then find one of the other 3252 servers that doesn't run CD.
And hacker has become slang for a aimbotter or a wallcheater. No point in trying to change it, it just is.
I look at CD like the difference between a country club and a public golf course. At a country club you get more serious dedicated players who will pay the price to enjoy a better game. At a public golf course you often get those who should never be allowed to play the game. And you have no control over the fact that they are making everyone else’s game miserable. In this fashion I rather enjoy the way in which CD weeds out the lazy players and those who "wont be bothered" I have noticed that those who "will be bothered" tend to be of a higher quality and usually make game play much more fun.
Ok so I’m a bit obsessive about anticheating, Superfly
Personally, I much prefer CD servers over un-protected servers. And I think that I will much prefer CD servers over VAC-protected servers now that NS will be VAC compatible. Not only because CD servers usually have less players(easier to get in) even if they are well admined and popular servers. I don't find CD to be a hassle or anything and it seems more robust than VAC.
The only thing that grieves(sp?) me is that I can't join VAC servers with CD on because the CD hooks into the game like a cheat does in order to be able to do what it does and CD will now detect VAC and disconnect if I remember correctly.
All in all I think it is a good thing that VAC is in know, rather VAC then nothing, rather CD than VAC for me.
edit: How often do you see game manufactures supporting a game for this long? GJ Valve!!!!
People who do not wish to run CD on their computer or too lazy probably don't belong on the server anyways. there will always be the server with CD and the servers without it, people have choices, they don't HAVE to connect to a CD required server if they don't want to.
CD in required mode is essential. I used CD in optional for 1 week as a turnover time and lost a grand total of 0 decent players <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Fair enough, but don't be scared of "CD required" either, you'll not lose any players down to it. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Which is why I will be switching to CD Required on the release of NS v2.0 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
It's going to be a bit of a moot point for a week or so. VAC did not make it into the NS 2.0 server release due to some scheduling issues at Valve. It is done now, but needs a lot more testing time, so it will be included with the server 2.x patch that will inevitably be showing up a short while after 2.0 release.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Roobubba+Jul 30 2003, 04:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roobubba @ Jul 30 2003, 04:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CD in required mode is essential. I used CD in optional for 1 week as a turnover time and lost a grand total of 0 decent players <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> in other words all the llamas beat feat <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--r4m3n_n00dles+Jul 29 2003, 03:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (r4m3n_n00dles @ Jul 29 2003, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And please, please, please call cheaters "cheaters" and not "hackers"... Someone who attempts to get into a passworded server, get rcon access, AM/AMX access that should not is a hacker. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> /me pushes up sorta geek glasses
technically speaking, the guy who gets rcon that shouldn's is a CRACKER.
the so called hacker who cheats, is a cheater or script kiddie.
and the good ppl at UA, the many kewl ppl who make nifty plugins for NS (voogru, [WHO]Them, hullu) are HACKERS.
but that's all moot geekdom that no one really cares about..
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Pretty much the reason I won't be using it.
Had absolutely nps with it on my cs server and dont forsee any problems with it on ns <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyway, my Clannmates and myself never had problems with VAC...
If players have to update their anti cheat software, you tend to get the players who actually want to play and not the muppets who muck around a lot.
Besides, continuing to use CD will be good for UA and good for the gaming community - prompting regular updates to stay ahead of hackers by the team that has helped us enormously so far.
Roo
If players have to update their anti cheat software, you tend to get the players who actually want to play and not the muppets who muck around a lot.
Besides, continuing to use CD will be good for UA and good for the gaming community - prompting regular updates to stay ahead of hackers by the team that has helped us enormously so far.
Roo <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Very valid points there.
And please, please, please call cheaters "cheaters" and not "hackers"... Someone who attempts to get into a passworded server, get rcon access, AM/AMX access that should not is a hacker.
And please, please, please call cheaters "cheaters" and not "hackers"... Someone who attempts to get into a passworded server, get rcon access, AM/AMX access that should not is a hacker. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry if I sound evil, but that is the point. On very popular servers, there might be a line of four or five people waiting to get in. When you enable CD, it eliminates the people who tend to muck around, and it allows the for those who really want to play to join. If CD is too much of a hassle, then find one of the other 3252 servers that doesn't run CD.
And hacker has become slang for a aimbotter or a wallcheater. No point in trying to change it, it just is.
Ok so I’m a bit obsessive about anticheating,
Superfly
The only thing that grieves(sp?) me is that I can't join VAC servers with CD on because the CD hooks into the game like a cheat does in order to be able to do what it does and CD will now detect VAC and disconnect if I remember correctly.
All in all I think it is a good thing that VAC is in know, rather VAC then nothing, rather CD than VAC for me.
edit: How often do you see game manufactures supporting a game for this long? GJ Valve!!!!
So, I know how VAC is happy with those false positives and a rather long 5 year ban, so I will stick to C-D for now. Better safe than sorry.
I'm also planning to use CD in Required mode at NS release. (assuming metamod support is timely)
in other words all the llamas beat feat <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
/me pushes up sorta geek glasses
technically speaking, the guy who gets rcon that shouldn's is a CRACKER.
the so called hacker who cheats, is a cheater or script kiddie.
and the good ppl at UA, the many kewl ppl who make nifty plugins for NS (voogru, [WHO]Them, hullu) are HACKERS.
but that's all moot geekdom that no one really cares about..
oh, and more ontopic. CD req all the way.