2.0z Changelog

NeoMatrixj2 · July 2003

Balancing is now complete. Now its on to installing VAC, trying to get a new minimap going, and fix any remaining bugs. Any balancing that will occur would only be done if it was a major issue.

Beast · July 2003

Lets hear it for Flayra!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>
<img src='http://www.rucentre.com/superskulk.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

MrPink · July 2003

Well that is <b>great</b> I was worried about some of the last minute changes that Flay was throwing in, I am also glad that the piercing damage that the HMG was given is working out well. Hope you can get VAC in and the minimap done before the 31st (:

Maian · July 2003

Especially the minimap! I could care less about VAC since it sucks.

Jabba_The_Hunt · July 2003

yeah, we really need a good minimap, out of interest, why has the beta forum disappeared?

NeoMatrixj2 · July 2003

they hid it so pts and vets can talk about bugs and stuff together.

MonsieurEvil · July 2003

Is that really irony? Seems to be more like optomism...

MagiTek · July 2003

So are you saying that there were no balance changes 2.0y -> 2.0z?

Can you post the complete log of the things that were changed? You provided a link to it in the sticky thread, but it's unviewable to non-PTs/Vets.

Wheeee · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NoImagination @ Jul 24 2003, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Sorry guys, the irony is overwhelming...

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>We won't reach Z.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Posted by Flayra, <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=35579&hl=reach&#entry478856' target='_blank'>here</a>.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
and technically, we didn't. 2.0y was the last publicly-announced changelog <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

MonsieurEvil · July 2003

Not to mention that install packages are not called letters either - they are RC1, 2, etc.

It just irks me that

a) people care, as it's entirely arbitrary

and

b) people have to take time out of their apparently unbusy days to point at other people and say 'you make mistakes!!!'. Just goes to show that no matter what, people love to crap on other people no matter what the situation.

edit: NI wrote me to say he was joking around. I'll unlock and let this go for now.

RabidWeasel · July 2003

So, what changed? It's hard to tell from the gigantic merged final changelog the difference between 2.0y and 2.0z

Is this intentional?

MonsieurEvil · July 2003

Most of the differences are truly in Y; Z had some bug fixes, and some tweaks. The last (relatively) big set of differences are not yet in due to requiring some further resource scheduling (for example, VAC, which requires the guys at VALVe to do some stuff to vac-ize things).

Edit: all is forgiven with NI - he apologized like a man, which is a rare thing on the idioweb. I'm sorry as well for reacting too severely. Hopefully you'll start slapping some emoticons in there or something, that's what they're there for <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> .

Bosnian_Cowboy · July 2003

If you care that they care then don't judge them for caring. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Zek · July 2003

So is anyone going to show us the actual Z changelog?

And these last changes(minimap, etc) will need to be tested, right? Are we really going to be left hanging on the mystery of the 27th beta patch? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'>

a_civilian · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Jul 24 2003, 09:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Are we really going to be left hanging on the mystery of the 27th beta patch? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Not 27th. They skipped i, l, and o (probably because they look like numbers).

Forlorn · July 2003

They also started at e to my knowledge.

In all technicallity of things, Flay didn't reach 'z'... or in other words, 26 versions of NS 2.0.

And besides, if the next version after 2.0y wasn't adressing any balance changes, and only really weird bugs/asthetics, then can it be considered it's own release or just part of the process?

MonsieurEvil · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jul 24 2003, 08:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <b>it's entirely arbitrary</b>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I really can't say this enough times, I guess...

Beast · July 2003

Say it again to make sure!!
And yes, i/o/l were omited because they look too much like letters.

Zel · July 2003

we didnt start following changes till about e,

it makes sense to hide the beta forum now, because if an exploitable bug slips through the deadline, they dont want US to know about it. surely 2.01 will come soon with further balances that didnt make the deadline, and bugfixes too, but in the time being we cant be told what exactly is happening anymore.

MrPink · July 2003

I can't believe we are still debating about this...

Once again, the public takes the tiniest thing and blows it way out of proportion. Granted it's a joke, but believe me, it stopped being funny a <b>long</b> time ago.

<span style='font-family:times'>Let.
It.
Die.</span>

ZERG · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I do tend to make sarcastic jokes. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

That's what [sarcasm] tags are for or use the <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> emoticon. Unless there is no emoticon for what you're feeling.

CaLFiN · July 2003

What comes after "2.0z?" Or is this the final build, barring any major bugs found?

SjN · July 2003

Now WHO said VAC sux? was it jessen? cough
Can't wait for VAC to be in NS!!

fo_sheezy_my_neezy · July 2003

my goodness..... this all came up pretty quick. As for MonsE, we love you and forgive you. You're PRing us to death, that must take alot. I still say yall should fly out to AZ though. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Apotheosis · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CaL_FiN @ Jul 25 2003, 12:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>What comes after "2.0z?" Or is this the final build, barring any major bugs found?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
As MonsE stated, next come the Release Candidates (RC1, RC2, etc)

And PLEASE! Don't anyone start speculating about how many Release Candidates there <i>might</i> be <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Majin · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NoImagination @ Jul 24 2003, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Sorry guys, the irony is overwhelming...

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>We won't reach Z.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Posted by Flayra, <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=35579&hl=reach&#entry478856' target='_blank'>here</a>.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Thats not Irony..
Irony would be a guy who spent his life trying to save tress and then a tree falls on him and he dies.
Irony would be a person who worked for the Unemployment office having to go on Unemployment
Irony would be a commander making a Turret Farm and Stressing to his team that it will keep them alive only to be him killed by that same turret Farm due to Friendly Fire
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

NurEinMensch · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CaL_FiN @ Jul 25 2003, 12:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What comes after "2.0z?" Or is this the final build, barring any major bugs found?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Currently its 2.0za (special experimental build).

Rhuadin · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>And yes, i/o/l were omited because they look too much like letters. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I coulda sworn the rest of the alphabet had striking resemblance to letters as well. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

(Nice sig, Beast. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> )

Rhuadin

nthing · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Jul 25 2003, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Thats not Irony..
Irony would be a guy who spent his life trying to save tress and then a tree falls on him and he dies.
Irony would be a person who worked for the Unemployment office having to go on Unemployment
Irony would be a commander making a Turret Farm and Stressing to his team that it will keep them alive only to be him killed by that same turret Farm due to Friendly Fire
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
lol - Thank you for clearing that up for us <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Dan_Forever · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NoImagination @ Jul 25 2003, 12:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Sorry guys, the irony is overwhelming...

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>We won't reach Z.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Posted by Flayra, <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=35579&hl=reach&#entry478856' target='_blank'>here</a>.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
take a look at <a href='http://www.rinkworks.com/said' target='_blank'>this place</a> - it has some brilliant quotes from people on various different things, including bad predictions (Bill gates saying 640k is enough memory for everyone etc) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Iced_Eagle · July 2003

man i wish we could see it... are all the maps 100% done now? I know there were changes in the last changelog... man if they could only show us this one then we could say "I say NS 2.0 from a-z (pun intended)"

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