The pain, the bat, and the blood when you beat me!

yesukai · July 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">Or, please critisize my map!</div>Right, my map.
That ugly looking box thing on the left side is a temperary command console for checking commander r_speeds. Happy to say r_speeds stay below 550 for commander and marine.

yesukai · July 2002

and a nice close up of the purdy rocks.
BTW, I brighted these pics a little... I dont know, my monitor always has things brighter then others...

yesukai · July 2002

And, so you can tell me if my map is doomed for failure, the statistics:
Object names Objects/Maxobjs Memory / Maxmem Fullness
------------ --------------- --------------- --------
models 8/400 512/25600 ( 2.0)
planes 3120/32767 62400/655340 ( 9.5)
vertexes 1431/65535 17172/786420 ( 2.2)
nodes 667/32767 16008/786408 ( 2.0)
texinfos 220/32767 8800/1310680 ( 0.7)
faces 1126/65535 22520/1310700 ( 1.7)
clipnodes 3021/32767 24168/262136 ( 9.2)
leaves 335/8192 9380/229376 ( 4.1)
marksurfaces 1492/65535 2984/131070 ( 2.3)
surfedges 5030/512000 20120/2048000 ( 1.0)
edges 2575/256000 10300/1024000 ( 1.0)
texdata [variable] 2568/4194304 ( 0.1)
lightdata [variable] 143004/4194304 ( 3.4)
visdata [variable] 10497/2097152 ( 0.5)
entdata [variable] 4999/524288 ( 1.0)
33 textures referenced
=== Total BSP file data space used: 355432 bytes ===

Map is basically one big room with 4 hallways comming of it so far.

HanzGruber · July 2002

what are the r_speeds...that's what I want to know

Mouse · July 2002

regardless of the r_speeds, I suggest you don't use those rock walls too much, because as you should be aware, they tend to make you eat through your planes rather quickly

SentrySteve · July 2002

Wow, I must say that is the best 'underground map' I have ever seen! (I have seen about 4 that people have tried to play) I usually post something negitive towards the idea of underground areas but this is great! I think mouse is right, in the long run you might run out of planes easily. However, putting that (big) fact aside, the map looks great! The first underground map that I like!

ChromeAngel · July 2002

Looks nice, it looks like NS. Are you using the new FGD file?

pielemuis · July 2002

it's kinda dark (even on my monitor and i turned the gamma all the way up ), it's really hard to make out details

yesukai · July 2002

InterFect0r, Try viewing the images in the dark. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>.

Mouse, as for the rock, yes, I'm going to use that sparingly... apparently im at 9% of my planes already. I had had the rock copied over to the other side of that room, not any more, something else gets to go there. save some planes. Yay, welcome to NS. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Thanks for the compliment SentrySteve. ChromeAngel, I don't think I am... why?

Keep em comming and I'll keep mapping. I would like some more negatives though... oh, the r_speeds stay well below 500, most of the time below 400. except at certain locations were some things you shouldnt be able to see upstairs are poping up, a couple hint brushes and the r_speeds wont get above 500 except in commander mode. Still below 550.

coil · July 2002

I second Chrome's question - are you using the new FGD? In it, the Commander Console is a point entity, not a brush entity (as it is a standardized model, and not created by the mapper).

yesukai · July 2002

And I second my responce to chome angel, no, im not.
Another pic, the other side. I dont like it as much as I do the rock wall.. but it saves some planes.
-edit- the blue lights are different, saves a lot of planes, and that read light in the center of the cross isnt how it supposed to be

RhoadsToNowhere · July 2002

I think your architecture and texturing are done quite well, but the lighting is a bit dull and drab as Interfect0r said. Also, keep in mind that although detailed walls like what you have are awesome to look at, it's a little difficult for the level 1 ( <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bob.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':bob:'> ) to climb some walls. You should be able to test it out in the NSTR -- if you start to find that it's too hard to climb the walls, you may want to remove some of the detail. I'm glad to hear your r_speeds are so low, I think you've got a decent amount of leeway there too. Anyway, keep up the good work.

Plaguebearer · July 2002

More light_spot entities <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

ChromeAngel · July 2002

Yes Coil, that was what I was getting at. The team_command entity. that's probably for the best i'm not sure the new FGD works as well with the NSTR as the old FGD.

SentrySteve · July 2002

I think in your second shot more lighting contrast is needed (break that all blue look), I suggest you follow up on what PB said (more light_spots). Also, if you cant climb it easily being a lvl1 cant he just add clip brushes to make that more easy? Sure, when a bob is griping on to nothing it may not look right but at least it is more fun for the bob! *That may eat up more planes, however.*

RhoadsToNowhere · July 2002

The thing is, the level 1 can't climb up clip brushes. So that's not gonna work, you'd need an invisible func_wall instead. And that will add to your entity count, something that no NS mapper needs.

manah · July 2002

Rhoads speaks the truth.

When creating complex architecture (complex for ye olde HL) and adding details you should always spare a thought for Bob.

yesukai · July 2002

tested it out, bob could get around just fine, just need to be carefull were you step.

The pain, the bat, and the blood when you beat me!

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