meh ive played 1.1, and the lerk is decent. however, i still think that the lerk deserves a melee attack <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> especially since jetpacks are nerfed to crap
<!--QuoteBegin--Sirus+Jun 26 2003, 12:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Jun 26 2003, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The one thing that is true though, is that "ppl that have 'Playtester' beside there name " <i><b>respect</i></b> Flayra. I may not agree, but I will not dare critisize him. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What would the world be like without critisim. I think we would still be living in caves, with large clubs, and fur for clothing.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ok take this for example: Someone has some nice sooped Skyline and another person has a stock hippy van covered in rust and a broken windshield. Now which one is faster? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hmm. Thats funny, you're comparing a very defined vehicle, its obviously slow and we know this because we've seen it before, to something that hasn't been experienced or used. ( In the case of any non-vet/PT )
Ok, so a sooped skyline racing a mystery vehicle. I wouldn't make any bets as to whats faster.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What would the world be like without critisim. I think we would still be living in caves, with large clubs, and fur for clothing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Um... negative criticism would most likely be defined as lack of intelligence if anything at all. This thread is far from constructive feedback.
It's ridiculous to pursue this conversation further, it's reached the point of a childish argument and it needs to stop. If anyone would like to continue this conversation post-1.1 release I'd be happy to talk. Until then, let's show some maturity and quit while were ahead.
<!--QuoteBegin--[ReD]Dean+Jun 26 2003, 12:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([ReD]Dean @ Jun 26 2003, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Man this is patetic...I get so angry reading your posts. I don't even know what to say. Most you ppl don't have a clue what ur talking about. Balance and stuff like that...you have absolutly no clue. I bet most of u don't even use lerk and if u do u havnt even givin bite a try. You just don't like ppl like me coming down and killing ur unexpecting **** when u walk by <--only logical reason i can think of.
Lerk needs bite. End of Story. I'm sick of n00bs talking all this crap. If your not a skilled lerk, i don't want ur damn opinion cause its obivious what it will be. As for the poll about bite lerks / spike lerks. HAH. No **** spike lerks outnumber bite lerks. Thats common sence. There are way more newb lerks then skilled lerks. Give those spiking nubs some time, they will convert to bite. And yes I am implying spikes = nubs, bite = skill BECUASE thats the way it is. Hey I started out spiking when i was a nub becuase it was easier. I (myself) use spikes as a backup, kinda like a pistol. Bite is my primary weapon
P.S. I never heard anything about a lerk bite / spike poll. Also there are more players then the ones who are on the forums. The only reason i use the forums is because i'm in the vet group and i need to use them.
Also don't listen to ppl that have 'Playtester' beside there name becuase they will 99% of the time agree with what Flayra would want them to agree with.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dean. Who do you think you are? You're implying that every person who disagrees with you is a 'n00b'. You, it seems, is the one without a clue. All I see from your posts is that some whiny kid is angry because his favourite toy has been taken away from him.
First of all, I bet lerk is your one and only class. As soon as you get enough res you go lerk, don't you?. Probably because you get more kills with this class than anything else.. you come across as a typical FPS kiddie frag wh0re. Why you have veteran next to your name, I don't know. You sure don't come across as one.
Secondly, comments like THIS are pathetic: 'Lerk needs bite. End of Story.'
Oh, end of story is it? I'm sure Flayra and 99.9% of the NS community will disagree with you there. There will always be discussion when it comes to balance changes. How can you say that every single person that has posted here has no clue about balance? What, because they don't have 'veteran' next to their nick they don't have the right to state an opinion? Nice logic there mate.
'Also don't listen to ppl that have 'Playtester' beside there name becuase they will 99% of the time agree with what Flayra would want them to agree with.'
You sir, are the 'nub'. Do you really think every playtester is Flay's lapdog? Do you think they were picked because they worship him? No, they were picked because they probably have the skills and the mindset to playtest this upcoming version, and provide <b>insightful, constructive</b> feedback. Not just a generic flame.
In my opinion, you really don't deserve that veteran status. I don't care if you're the most skilled player out there. Nearly every other single vet I've seen that posts on these forums, whether it happens to be a positive or negative comment, is able to put it constructively and not in a way that stirs the pot so to speak. Your method of posting your thoughts is really immature, unhelpful and pretty much just a waste of time. If you have a problem, post it in a way that doesn't insult people (I'm a big phat hipocrit i know)
I could go on, but I won't.
PS. Call me whatever you want. I really couldn't care less what some pimply, pale 15 year old geek thinks of me.
I consider myself an excellent biting lerk, and the loss of bite originally made me shudder. But then some rational thought hit me. NS keeps expanding, and at some point balance can only be tweaked so much. Eventually new features will have to implemented ( such as electricity in 1.1 ) ... and I'm confident at some point the alien abilities will be expanded. When that far off day comes, just maybe Lerks will have teeth again <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The more I use the lerk, the more I agree with Dean. Bite is an essential tool for efficient lerking otherwise you are little more than a portable umbra machine and/or a mild annoyance on top of a WoL that a GL will make fly off pronto.
BTW, what's will all these people going OMG!!! DON'T KNOCK WHAT YOU HAVEN'T TRIED!!! ... I don't know about you guys, but in my 1.04 version of NS, lerks DO have spikes and they're kind of "meh". Sitting back and spiking = plz pistol me dead in .5 sec thx and flying around to dodge + spiking = no energy left by the time you're anywhere close to killing 1 marine. Even with adrenaline.
I've never cared overly much for spores, and I don't think 1.1 will change that, seeing how they got massively nerfed and everything and don't even affect HA anymore, the only marines they were worth considering using against. Vanilla/jetpack marines will probably run out of the cloud with 2-3 dmg taken tops, no doubt.
So far, the 1.1 lerk sounds like a remarkable waste of res. If the lerk must absolutely not get his bite back, then I think that an acceptable tradeoff would be to make it take almost no energy to fly, if any at all.
LOL so much flame against me I don't know where to start. I'll start with [A]pe because he really like to over exaggerate on things and is quite stereotypical. In reality though he doesn't have the experience/knowledge to back up his facts.
"First of all, I bet lerk is your one and only class. As soon as you get enough res you go lerk, don't you?. Probably because you get more kills with this class than anything else.." Hehe sort of sounds like me. At least in pubs. But I support my team anyway I can. As for the "typical FPS kiddie frag wh0re," well those kind of ppl don’t play competitively.
"Secondly, comments like THIS are pathetic: 'Lerk needs bite. End of Story.' " << Now why would I say that? Maybe because after every single post for pro-1.1 lerks that is the message u give. 'Deal with it,' 'It's there to stay,' 'Flayra has made up his mind so stop posting.'
"I'm sure Flayra and 99.9% of the NS community will disagree with you there" << lol that number seems kinda high.
About the playtester thing...just ask any vet on IRC and they'll tell ya <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
As for syrus: what so mysterious about those non-aerodynamic hippy vans. All I'm trying to say that that you don't have to try something to know that you won't like it. I know thats the case for me and just about the rest of us. Maybe a few ppl will be suprised but if they use bite as much as I do, they won't like it at all.
EDIT: Spores are <b>not</b> down-right deadly at 1-hive.
EDIT2: "I really couldn't care less what some pimply, pale 15 year old geek thinks of me. " << lol u wish. Well I guess I'm not the only one making asumptions.
I wanna look the the nice man aswell <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Sorry for any comments, understand that they are against my best judgements.
I must say that at first glance I don't think teh <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> will be as cool in 1.1, but whatever, I'll wait and see.
a_civilianLikes seeing numbersJoin Date: 2003-01-08Member: 12041Members, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead
<!--QuoteBegin--Kazyras+Jun 26 2003, 01:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kazyras @ Jun 26 2003, 01:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Vanilla/jetpack marines will probably run out of the cloud with 2-3 dmg taken tops, no doubt.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And that will be the purpose of the spore cloud, making marines run out of it. An area denial weapon. A weapon that requires tactical thinking.
<!--QuoteBegin--[ReD]Dean+Jun 26 2003, 12:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([ReD]Dean @ Jun 26 2003, 12:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> All I'm trying to say that that you don't have to try something to know that you won't like it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You're gonna live a small, shallow, sheltered life if you continue to think this way.
Changed our tune a bit have we? It's good to see you've finally calmed down a bit without random flames/insults flying here there and everywhere.
'In reality though he doesn't have the experience/knowledge to back up his facts.'
Ok I appreciate the fact that you've gone to great effort to clean up your spelling and grammar, however I never stated that what I was saying was 'fact'. I was implying that this was the type of player/person you are due to the nature of your inflammatory post(s) earlier. So, I would advise that you get <b>your</b> facts straight first my friend.
"Now why would I say that? Maybe because after every single post for pro-1.1 lerks that is the message u give. 'Deal with it,' 'It's there to stay,' 'Flayra has made up his mind so stop posting."
You're generalising a bit here I think. I have never replied to you in any other post ever before, so applying these quotes to me is a waste of time and is completely invalid. I haven't even stated my opinion as to which I prefer bite or non-bite. I'm not in a position to make a judgement, because I don't have access to the latest version. My comments are in reply to post, and your post only. Could you please explain to me exactly how I am exagerrating and being stereotypical? Or are you just throwing a few 'big' words in there for good measure?
'About the playtester thing...just ask any vet on IRC and they'll tell ya'. No thanks, I'll stay out of the tense politcal climate that seems to exist between PTs and vets. Although I can't say I'd be suprised that this is the case if the majority of vets have a similar mindset to your own, which I doubt they do . <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Fantasmo+Jun 26 2003, 01:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fantasmo @ Jun 26 2003, 01:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--[ReD]Dean+Jun 26 2003, 12:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([ReD]Dean @ Jun 26 2003, 12:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> All I'm trying to say that that you don't have to try something to know that you won't like it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're gonna live a small, shallow, sheltered life if you continue to think this way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> LOL. Why do we bring this into a real-life situation? It's hard to answer this becuase there is a fine line here. This doesn't apply to everything, but it does apply to many things. It's all up to the person. Ok lets take seasickness. Somone is really prone to getting seasick. All their friends have been on cruises and say 'you don't even feel the waves,' 'it's a piece of cake'. Now should he take the risk and go on a cruise? or should he remain on solid ground. Kind of a bad example becuase with the lerk it is much easier to deside.
<!--QuoteBegin--nsscrewedovermycomp+Jun 26 2003, 01:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nsscrewedovermycomp @ Jun 26 2003, 01:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ape you dont know any vets, thats why your ignorant and stupid. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> youre ignorant too, you havent played the new lerk
exageration --> 99.9% (now where did u get that number from?) sterotypes --> Assuming I am some 'frag wh0re' and a 'pale, pimple faced 15 year old' from the way i sounded in my posts.
As for the comment 'End of Story' if your not on anyone's side here then why don't you tell the others (who are relaying the same message as me but from the other side) to shut up?
As for spelling/grammar...this is a forum, not an essay.
Wow, dean that sea-sickness was a horrible example. Knowing you're not going to like something without trying it doesn't fit into that example. How does he know he's going to get sea-sick if he's never been on a ship?
That's odd. I could have sworn we banned Ackz a long time ago. Fixed.
This thread is completely irritating, and now closed. Not because of the subject matter, but because of how people have largely acted. Why do I spend all this time trying to make this community a friendly and social place? So that everyone here can act like impolite savages from some CS forum? Inexcusable.
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What would the world be like without critisim. I think we would still be living in caves, with large clubs, and fur for clothing.
Hmm. Thats funny, you're comparing a very defined vehicle, its obviously slow and we know this because we've seen it before, to something that hasn't been experienced or used. ( In the case of any non-vet/PT )
Ok, so a sooped skyline racing a mystery vehicle. I wouldn't make any bets as to whats faster.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What would the world be like without critisim. I think we would still be living in caves, with large clubs, and fur for clothing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Um... negative criticism would most likely be defined as lack of intelligence if anything at all. This thread is far from constructive feedback.
It's ridiculous to pursue this conversation further, it's reached the point of a childish argument and it needs to stop. If anyone would like to continue this conversation post-1.1 release I'd be happy to talk. Until then, let's show some maturity and quit while were ahead.
Lerk needs bite. End of Story. I'm sick of n00bs talking all this crap. If your not a skilled lerk, i don't want ur damn opinion cause its obivious what it will be. As for the poll about bite lerks / spike lerks. HAH. No **** spike lerks outnumber bite lerks. Thats common sence. There are way more newb lerks then skilled lerks. Give those spiking nubs some time, they will convert to bite. And yes I am implying spikes = nubs, bite = skill BECUASE thats the way it is. Hey I started out spiking when i was a nub becuase it was easier. I (myself) use spikes as a backup, kinda like a pistol. Bite is my primary weapon
P.S. I never heard anything about a lerk bite / spike poll. Also there are more players then the ones who are on the forums. The only reason i use the forums is because i'm in the vet group and i need to use them.
Also don't listen to ppl that have 'Playtester' beside there name becuase they will 99% of the time agree with what Flayra would want them to agree with.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dean. Who do you think you are? You're implying that every person who disagrees with you is a 'n00b'. You, it seems, is the one without a clue. All I see from your posts is that some whiny kid is angry because his favourite toy has been taken away from him.
First of all, I bet lerk is your one and only class. As soon as you get enough res you go lerk, don't you?. Probably because you get more kills with this class than anything else.. you come across as a typical FPS kiddie frag wh0re. Why you have veteran next to your name, I don't know. You sure don't come across as one.
Secondly, comments like THIS are pathetic: 'Lerk needs bite. End of Story.'
Oh, end of story is it? I'm sure Flayra and 99.9% of the NS community will disagree with you there. There will always be discussion when it comes to balance changes. How can you say that every single person that has posted here has no clue about balance? What, because they don't have 'veteran' next to their nick they don't have the right to state an opinion? Nice logic there mate.
'Also don't listen to ppl that have 'Playtester' beside there name becuase they will 99% of the time agree with what Flayra would want them to agree with.'
You sir, are the 'nub'. Do you really think every playtester is Flay's lapdog? Do you think they were picked because they worship him? No, they were picked because they probably have the skills and the mindset to playtest this upcoming version, and provide <b>insightful, constructive</b> feedback. Not just a generic flame.
In my opinion, you really don't deserve that veteran status. I don't care if you're the most skilled player out there. Nearly every other single vet I've seen that posts on these forums, whether it happens to be a positive or negative comment, is able to put it constructively and not in a way that stirs the pot so to speak. Your method of posting your thoughts is really immature, unhelpful and pretty much just a waste of time. If you have a problem, post it in a way that doesn't insult people (I'm a big phat hipocrit i know)
I could go on, but I won't.
PS. Call me whatever you want. I really couldn't care less what some pimply, pale 15 year old geek thinks of me.
/me s'tfu
BTW, what's will all these people going OMG!!! DON'T KNOCK WHAT YOU HAVEN'T TRIED!!! ... I don't know about you guys, but in my 1.04 version of NS, lerks DO have spikes and they're kind of "meh". Sitting back and spiking = plz pistol me dead in .5 sec thx and flying around to dodge + spiking = no energy left by the time you're anywhere close to killing 1 marine. Even with adrenaline.
I've never cared overly much for spores, and I don't think 1.1 will change that, seeing how they got massively nerfed and everything and don't even affect HA anymore, the only marines they were worth considering using against. Vanilla/jetpack marines will probably run out of the cloud with 2-3 dmg taken tops, no doubt.
So far, the 1.1 lerk sounds like a remarkable waste of res. If the lerk must absolutely not get his bite back, then I think that an acceptable tradeoff would be to make it take almost no energy to fly, if any at all.
"First of all, I bet lerk is your one and only class. As soon as you get enough res you go lerk, don't you?. Probably because you get more kills with this class than anything else.." Hehe sort of sounds like me. At least in pubs. But I support my team anyway I can. As for the "typical FPS kiddie frag wh0re," well those kind of ppl don’t play competitively.
"Secondly, comments like THIS are pathetic: 'Lerk needs bite. End of Story.' " << Now why would I say that? Maybe because after every single post for pro-1.1 lerks that is the message u give. 'Deal with it,' 'It's there to stay,' 'Flayra has made up his mind so stop posting.'
"I'm sure Flayra and 99.9% of the NS community will disagree with you there" << lol that number seems kinda high.
About the playtester thing...just ask any vet on IRC and they'll tell ya <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
As for syrus: what so mysterious about those non-aerodynamic hippy vans. All I'm trying to say that that you don't have to try something to know that you won't like it. I know thats the case for me and just about the rest of us. Maybe a few ppl will be suprised but if they use bite as much as I do, they won't like it at all.
EDIT: Spores are <b>not</b> down-right deadly at 1-hive.
EDIT2: "I really couldn't care less what some pimply, pale 15 year old geek thinks of me. " << lol u wish. Well I guess I'm not the only one making asumptions.
Sorry for any comments, understand that they are against my best judgements.
Sorry for any comments, understand that they are against my best judgements.
Regards,
[ReD]Dean (pro-1.04 lerk)
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Lets just hope that everyone is somewhat satisfied neh ?
And that will be the purpose of the spore cloud, making marines run out of it. An area denial weapon. A weapon that requires tactical thinking.
You're gonna live a small, shallow, sheltered life if you continue to think this way.
:P
'In reality though he doesn't have the experience/knowledge to back up his facts.'
Ok I appreciate the fact that you've gone to great effort to clean up your spelling and grammar, however I never stated that what I was saying was 'fact'. I was implying that this was the type of player/person you are due to the nature of your inflammatory post(s) earlier. So, I would advise that you get <b>your</b> facts straight first my friend.
"Now why would I say that? Maybe because after every single post for pro-1.1 lerks that is the message u give. 'Deal with it,' 'It's there to stay,' 'Flayra has made up his mind so stop posting."
You're generalising a bit here I think. I have never replied to you in any other post ever before, so applying these quotes to me is a waste of time and is completely invalid. I haven't even stated my opinion as to which I prefer bite or non-bite. I'm not in a position to make a judgement, because I don't have access to the latest version. My comments are in reply to post, and your post only. Could you please explain to me exactly how I am exagerrating and being stereotypical? Or are you just throwing a few 'big' words in there for good measure?
'About the playtester thing...just ask any vet on IRC and they'll tell ya'.
No thanks, I'll stay out of the tense politcal climate that seems to exist between PTs and vets.
Although I can't say I'd be suprised that this is the case if the majority of vets have a similar mindset to your own, which I doubt they do . <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
You're gonna live a small, shallow, sheltered life if you continue to think this way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL. Why do we bring this into a real-life situation? It's hard to answer this becuase there is a fine line here. This doesn't apply to everything, but it does apply to many things. It's all up to the person. Ok lets take seasickness. Somone is really prone to getting seasick. All their friends have been on cruises and say 'you don't even feel the waves,' 'it's a piece of cake'. Now should he take the risk and go on a cruise? or should he remain on solid ground. Kind of a bad example becuase with the lerk it is much easier to deside.
i h8 pt
edit: and most vets
youre ignorant too, you havent played the new lerk
sterotypes --> Assuming I am some 'frag wh0re' and a 'pale, pimple faced 15 year old' from the way i sounded in my posts.
As for the comment 'End of Story' if your not on anyone's side here then why don't you tell the others (who are relaying the same message as me but from the other side) to shut up?
As for spelling/grammar...this is a forum, not an essay.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>DEAN you need to stop before someone else or you explodes....</span>
Let's all take a deep breath and just leave it alone. Nothing is going to be decided here and now if at all.
This thread is completely irritating, and now closed. Not because of the subject matter, but because of how people have largely acted. Why do I spend all this time trying to make this community a friendly and social place? So that everyone here can act like impolite savages from some CS forum? Inexcusable.