Gorging Is Hard
Azrael_38
Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14407Members
Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14407Members
<div class="IPBDescription">and I thought COMMing was hard...</div> When you have a team of Marines who don't listen to a thing you say, don't follow waypoints, and always die... You get really ****... And you think COMMing is hard...
When you have a team of Aliens who don't listen to a thing you say, don't follow what you say, don't defend you, and always walk around and don't rush... You get REALLY ****... And what's more? You have no idea what's going on cause all the other skulks are just running around and talking jibberish... None of them tell you where they've secured... Unlike a COMM, you can't tell what's happening around you... You lack speed or sight to determine if a place is secure while staying safe...
If you're a gorge and no one rushes marine base past your location... Give up... Marines are gonna come and fill you with lead, and the aliens will be all **** at you for dying...
This is more of a vent than a strategy... But oh well...
(June 19, 2003 - 3:10pm EDT - RoobBubba's Server - ns_eclipse)
When you have a team of Aliens who don't listen to a thing you say, don't follow what you say, don't defend you, and always walk around and don't rush... You get REALLY ****... And what's more? You have no idea what's going on cause all the other skulks are just running around and talking jibberish... None of them tell you where they've secured... Unlike a COMM, you can't tell what's happening around you... You lack speed or sight to determine if a place is secure while staying safe...
If you're a gorge and no one rushes marine base past your location... Give up... Marines are gonna come and fill you with lead, and the aliens will be all **** at you for dying...
This is more of a vent than a strategy... But oh well...
(June 19, 2003 - 3:10pm EDT - RoobBubba's Server - ns_eclipse)
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Being a COMM consists of building, commanding (telling your folks to move, secure areas etc.) and upgrading. Your responsible for the whole team. As a gorge you only have to worry about your own a$$ and hope nobody shoots you before you get the 2nd RT up and the 3 DCs. After that it's up to skulks so your not really responsible as long as you save RP for the hive.
Some might think that "Oh, COMMing is so easy cause so many win with JP/HMG", but in reality it's a hellish job unless you manage to pull the JP/HMG off. I've seen a lot of people loathe COMMing because it's so hard, but hardly ever do I see a team without a gorge. I usually pick gorge if I've just played an intense round (especially if I've been COMMing). It's quite relaxing...
Does this not suggest that it is you who is at fault?
Shockingly, last night when you commanded on tanith, you were calm, gave sensible orders, and were generally nice to your troops. We won the game.
NS is a team game, and if you're abusive to your team, your team will not help you out.
If you remember, the previous game when you gorged, we won effortlessly with very good teamwork...
Some games you get it some games you don't.
I did notice you saying after the game (and I quote)
"I am such a good gorge"
THAT is the sort of comment that winds people up, and by the sounds of it I'm lucky to have missed you all this week.
My server is all about teamwork at fun. If there's a team not working together, they always lose, regardless of what team they're on, because inevitably the other team WILL be working together (hence I try to randomize it as much as possible to balance the teams).
You were unlucky to be on a team with few people working together. It happens, though I do try to discourage it.
Roo
davidsansome: This has been the first time I've been on RoobBubba's server in like 2 months... I've never ever used a different name other than Azrael 38 in NS... or in CS.. or Infantry... or any other freakin game I've ever played... SO DON'T EVEN DARE ACCUSE ME OF SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T DO!!! Oh, btw **** (you deserve it), don't you know how to identify ppl by their WON ID's? If you do, then maybe you should be using it... If you don't, go learn how to...
And uh... I haven't been on roob's server last night... And I haven't commed on tanith... Last time I commed was yesterday on ns_eclipse on some other server... Oh, and my mic's been dead for the past month... So there's no way I could've had an"always recognisable by the same irritating voice, obnoxious and rude comments, and foul language"... If you want proof, ask around... Pretty sure ppl have seen me say that my mic was down...
And you "regulars" do seem to have a problem 1) reporting what has been secured, 2) rushign marines through the way that i'm buidling in...
Roobubba: Well I had to go, and I was gagged... both reasons... misquote: "'im such a good gorge" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->... Do you even know why I said that? You guys were going hyper about my OC wall... I mean, WHO THINKS OC WALLS ARE AMUSING??? All i did was build it 4 levels high between power sub junction 3 and SAA to block marines... What kinda "regulars" are your server? And you missed me all this week cause I was never on your server...
Oh, and get your ppl to stop whining for a gorge to cap a res (even though the gorge SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THEY HAD 10 RES)... And stop whining for DC's... They waste 2 res per carapace and really dents the res level early game (first game I capped 3 more res (4 total) before OC walling horseshoe/marine start... That's why we won... We also didn't have a 2nd gorge wasting res on DC's under EC... We had a rogue gorge (dunno what happened to him) then hatchet double gorging CAPPING RES)... Capping res works...
Capping res works if the marines aren't offensive. If they are, you're dead without giving some of your skulks a longer life expectancy.
IMHO gorging is a lot easier than commanding because it's more fault tolerant, there are fewer decisions you have to make, and it's less stressful. To be a good commander you have to, well, be good at RTS commanding. To be a good gorge, you have to have a reasonable grasp of RTSs (this one in particular) but more importantly you have to have either good survival skills or a team which is prepared to babysit you.
By "fault tolerance" I mean that there's far more burden on you as commander, and you are the only commander. If you aren't very good as a commander (and the enemy gorges are, and the marines and skulks are about equal) then you will lose. However, if you screw up as gorge, someone else can easily take over your role without irreparable damage having been done. After all, if you build poorly you haven't wasted all the team's resources - just those which were allocated to you.
Gorge is much more forgiving. I personally think commanding is more fun, and more challenging than gorging.
Ok, and yes, gorging does take a while to master. Lots of things to learn, but still I think at the very least is a bit less STRESSFUL than comming. Now, whether you win or lose is the same for both positions: It depends on your team's ability to work together.
davidsansome: This has been the first time I've been on RoobBubba's server in like 2 months... I've never ever used a different name other than Azrael 38 in NS... or in CS.. or Infantry... or any other freakin game I've ever played... SO DON'T EVEN DARE ACCUSE ME OF SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T DO!!! Oh, btw **** (you deserve it), don't you know how to identify ppl by their WON ID's? If you do, then maybe you should be using it... If you don't, go learn how to...
And uh... I haven't been on roob's server last night... And I haven't commed on tanith... Last time I commed was yesterday on ns_eclipse on some other server... Oh, and my mic's been dead for the past month... So there's no way I could've had an"always recognisable by the same irritating voice, obnoxious and rude comments, and foul language"... If you want proof, ask around... Pretty sure ppl have seen me say that my mic was down...
And you "regulars" do seem to have a problem 1) reporting what has been secured, 2) rushign marines through the way that i'm buidling in... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok, I'll apologise - over voice comm you did sound very much like the twit who's been coming to Roo's and screwing up games this week.
Back on-topic, I disagree about our lack of communication - the team *was* reporting the movements of the marines. You can hardly complain when you walk into computer core hive, and plop down the hive without even seeing (or hearing) the turrets there, or asking the rest of the team if the hive room was clear.
Anyway, sorry for insulting you earlier - you're gorging is good, and I did like the WoL near power sub junction, but you need to communicate with your team better - calm down, stop the shouting, and concentrate on hives and nodes in the early game - save the oc walls until at least the second hive is going up. The first game was saved (IMO) by Hatchet saving for Maintenance hive while you were busy outside the marine base - which actually might be a good double gorging strat.
When it comes to teamplay, every single member of that team has a responsibility. No one person can complain about the rest of the team without at least trying to gather people together and make a coordinated attack. We didn't even have any upgrades when you dropped the second hive, we'd spend all our res on taking ground (and taken it and defended it (including base) extremely well to boot).
Getting hot under the collar won't help either (believe me I know).
The reason I gagged you was because your entire team was moaning about you annoying them. I didn't see the need to kick you, though many were calling for it.
My advice:
Chill.
To earn respect, you must give respect and act in a way that becomes a gentleman. Playing well isn't enough.
When it comes to NS, my additional advice:
communicate.
Even if YOU konw what you're doing, your teammates may not be aware. Make them aware so they can act and react accordingly. What I hope you noticed in those two games on my server is that my team works together. Probably because many suck up to me, but however it happens I will take, tbh.
Nothing beats the thrill of a well earned team victory.
So I rushed into CC trying to get the hive up asap, but didn't hear the turrets or see them until i passed the corner from core access west (then i saw it and ran)...
gg
seriously, get a new attitude...
Cheers
About gorging:
For me, gorging has always been very easy - you just cap res nodes and then secure another hive and then by that time the game has already been won or lost.
Stay close to safety (that u built), and dont rely on skulks.
Try different things - if the marines aren't relocating, goto another hive and get all the res towers there.
If ur spotted by a marine, run backwards (hopefully to safety) and spit at them.
And always listen to ur teammates.
If you keep in mine what your team needs and where they need you, you should do fine.
being a com is brick...respect to the chapps....exept when they win <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->