Pistol Concept
Sid
Corwid of the Free Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12903Members, Constellation
Corwid of the Free Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12903Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">NOT FOR NS! NO MODELLING OR ANYTHING! :P</div> Okay - there is a reason why I'm posting this in the "Artwork" forums. I may admit - it is as ugly as hell. It only took me five minutes to make, and it's an idea to make pistols more deadly.
Okay - you got your normal pistol. But built under it is an "Armour Piercing Round Module" (A.P.R.M. for short). Anyways, this part is detachable - so once you used up it's magazine, you can either detach this module or reload it with more Armour Piercing rounds. Now - you may think, "This sucker will blow your fricken' arm off." Well, that is partly true.
When using the APRM, you can also use the detachable stock. This stock is lightweight, but sturdy. It is also made of enviromentally-friendly materials, so you can throw it away. (Also cost efficiant!) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
And then you have your normal pistol. This has a larger barrel than most other pistols. Nothing really special about this, exept that it has "Ports" where you can equip the Stock and Module, or take them off for easier transport.
This pistol would be extremely useful for armoured opponents, lightly armoured vehicles, or stopping a car in it's tracks. If you have no idea of what this thing looks like, here's that picture I was talking about that only took me five minutes to create.
Any rants or suggestions?
Thanks for your time,
-Sid
Okay - you got your normal pistol. But built under it is an "Armour Piercing Round Module" (A.P.R.M. for short). Anyways, this part is detachable - so once you used up it's magazine, you can either detach this module or reload it with more Armour Piercing rounds. Now - you may think, "This sucker will blow your fricken' arm off." Well, that is partly true.
When using the APRM, you can also use the detachable stock. This stock is lightweight, but sturdy. It is also made of enviromentally-friendly materials, so you can throw it away. (Also cost efficiant!) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
And then you have your normal pistol. This has a larger barrel than most other pistols. Nothing really special about this, exept that it has "Ports" where you can equip the Stock and Module, or take them off for easier transport.
This pistol would be extremely useful for armoured opponents, lightly armoured vehicles, or stopping a car in it's tracks. If you have no idea of what this thing looks like, here's that picture I was talking about that only took me five minutes to create.
Any rants or suggestions?
Thanks for your time,
-Sid
Comments
That said, what use would have an infantryman have for AP ammo under most circumstances (besides planetside where heavy armor is a dime a dozen)?
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Mmmmm, 3x the stopping power of a .44 magnum.
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Either that or this:
Well, er, the point of a pistol is to have a small sidearm which can be drawn and fired quickly. A large stock would defeat the point, while a small stock would simply be useless (no advantage unless you have very short arms).
As for dual barrels, I don't really understand the point. It would be a lot easier to put dual magazines and allow the pistol to switch between the rounds, rather than making it two pistols. I think the OICW (I think that's the name at least) use something like that.
Other than that, it looks kinda cool. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The Objective Individual Combat Weapon (OICW) is in fact very similar to the gun proposed by Sid. The OICW is comprised of 2 separate guns, stacked on top of each other. The topmost, and largest gun, which also includes the sight rail and computer system is basically a 20mm grenade launcher which fires programable air-bursting rounds. One monster of a weapon. The lower gun is a fairly basic small calibre rifle, which can be detached from the grenade launcher and used alone. The lower gun fires the NATO standard 5.56mm FMJ round, and I believe can be outfitted with a stock; without the stock, it looks very much like a pistol with a very long barrel. As for using multiple clips to accomplish the same effect, the problem lies in the size of the barrel, reciever, etc of the pistol. For the pistol to be able to fire two types of rounds, both would have to be of the same calibre, and of similar length and shape to be able to be used in the same gun. As for the stock, I believe Sid's idea was to make a stock that was easily detatchable and transportable, and which could be used to increase the accuracy and stability of the gun when necessary; as when firing, say, a large calibre armor piercing round. Sid's gun seems to be of a sound design and has similarities to many real world firearms, though the ultimate practicaliity of such a weapon is of less certainty. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <a href='http://www.hkpro.com/oicw.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.hkpro.com/oicw.htm</a>
s*** maybe its true what they say about gaming and violence
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Mmmmm, 3x the stopping power of a .44 magnum. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
omg, that gun is LOUD AS HELL!!! I went to a shooting range and someone had one of those and when he fired, I felt like everyone shot at the same time and I wasn't wearing ear protection or an AWP. Its THAT loud
MARINE: Come on! GET SOME YOU ORNARY RHINO!!!!11oneoneone
*BANG*
MAINE: w00t! teh onos is gone! its like splattered all over the opposite wall and is now turned inside out. hehe, it has its **** for its head...hehe
MARINE: Come on! GET SOME YOU ORNARY RHINO!!!!11oneoneone
*BANG*
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Try 120mm! That's what's mounted on an M1 Abrahms MBT, or even better, the 155mm cannon on the Paladin mobile artillery. Of course, that could be a little difficult to carry, I would suggest just stealing a tank and taking it for a little spin. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
As for the stock, recoil control is only an issue when you fire with a high RoF. Most pistols does not fire very fast, as they are semi-automatic. If you want a pistol with a high RoF and a stock to control the recoil, you might as well make it a SMG, as it's more versatile and you've ruined the point of a pistol anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. The OICW's 20mm cannon fires shells/bullets, they just happen to be high explosive. You could theoretically use a 20mm slug in the gun, which is actually what they use for target practice. Two guns both firing bullets isn't a waste of space, as they both have a distinct function in a package that's easy to carry. Most pistol ammuntion cannot penetrate today's kevlar armor, with the exception of FN's 5.7mm system which looks like a scaled down rifle bullet. RoF is an issue with pistols, which is why Beretta makes the Model 93, a pistol complete with a small forward handle which can fire full auto. It can be seen used by John Travolta's character in the film "Broken Arrow"
2. Ever fired a gun before? Recoil control is not just a function of rate of fire, it's also a matter of calibre and power of the shot. (eg, a .44 magnum has a much higher recoil than a .22 pistol, and therefore requires more time to reacquire the target) If you were to place a large calibre chamber under the main barrel, the recoil would likely require a stock for any sort of accuracy past the first shot. A stock that is small, light, easily transportable, attachable and detachable, fits easily in your overhead compartment, etc would be a definite plus; it’s not a stock to be used all the time, just when you need it. A pistol with a secondary barrel is a concept that has been seen before, during the American Civil War, Confederate forces used the LeMat Pistol, which was a nine shot, .40 calibre pistol with a .60calibre shotgun chamber underneath, a serious bit of firepower. <a href='http://www.pride-net.com/1998/january/civilwar/lemats.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.pride-net.com/1998/january/civi...lwar/lemats.htm</a> Pistol stocks are not new to Sid's idea either; they've been used on various pistols for quite a while, though they’re no longer legal in the US. This page ( <a href='http://www.eskimo.com/~rayburn/woodsman/display/displaycase4b.html' target='_blank'>http://www.eskimo.com/~rayburn/woodsman/di...playcase4b.html</a> ) shows a combination shoulder stock/holster, which might be an idea for you to think about Sid. NoImagination, I would suggest you learn more about the way guns are made and work, before you criticize Sid’s ideas.
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to stay on topic, i find guns like the OICW very interresting, as the usual attachable grenade launchers have a rather short range
Yeah, the OICW has a useful range of 1000 meters, which is 2 - 3 times farther than the current M203 40mm grenade launcher. Combine that with the fire control system and it's effectiveness is even greater, H&K touts it at 5 times more effective at 300m! All in all, it's an amazing weapon, if you're interested you should check out H&K's website <a href='http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/</a> they make some incredible firearms, including the new MP7, a pistol sized submachine gun.
H&K and the other developers are working to get the cost down, but as it is, the OICW costs around $10000, which is about 10 times the cost of the M16/M4 system, but when you start adding all of the equipment that's standard on the OICW, like the laser sight, 20mm launcher, and the various computer equipment to the M16/M4, the total comes to about $35000, because they're different modules instead of one gun. The OICW is slated to only be given to 4 soldiers in a 9 man squad, so the extra cost is distributed a little bit.
Who said civilization is not moving forward? After all, we're constantly developing new and more efficient ways to kill eachother. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Isn’t that a little passive-aggressive considering you’re writing it in a forum dedicated to a first person <b>shooter</b>?
Who said civilization is not moving forward? After all, we're constantly developing new and more efficient ways to kill eachother. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Isn’t that a little passive-aggressive considering you’re writing it in a forum dedicated to a first person <b>shooter</b>? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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