Spawn Killing - Tactic Or Cheap?
Aurora
Join Date: 2003-06-09 Member: 17146Members
Join Date: 2003-06-09 Member: 17146Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Just some queries from a newbie</div>Hey all
I've been playing NS for 2 weeks now and recently just switch to aliens for a change. I've noticed that spawn killing is rampant in the server where I play in and most of the pple who do it claim that its a tactic. I've been searching through this forums on whether its a tactic or just a cheap shot, since marines have ranged weapons and can just kill spawning aliens in a matter of seconds.
I've actually read through a few threads which attempts to address the issue and it would be great if someone would explain to me whether its legimate, (so that if the comm asks me to do that I wouldn't argue with him) because in the servers that I frequent, there are commanders who place 1 person at our hive, kills every alien that spawns while the commander provides him med/ammo.
I've been playing DOD before I migrated to NS and since spawn camping is being frowned on in DOD, I would just like to know whats the take on spawn killing in NS.
Thanks a lot
I've been playing NS for 2 weeks now and recently just switch to aliens for a change. I've noticed that spawn killing is rampant in the server where I play in and most of the pple who do it claim that its a tactic. I've been searching through this forums on whether its a tactic or just a cheap shot, since marines have ranged weapons and can just kill spawning aliens in a matter of seconds.
I've actually read through a few threads which attempts to address the issue and it would be great if someone would explain to me whether its legimate, (so that if the comm asks me to do that I wouldn't argue with him) because in the servers that I frequent, there are commanders who place 1 person at our hive, kills every alien that spawns while the commander provides him med/ammo.
I've been playing DOD before I migrated to NS and since spawn camping is being frowned on in DOD, I would just like to know whats the take on spawn killing in NS.
Thanks a lot
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I've been playing NS for 2 weeks now and recently just switch to aliens for a change. I've noticed that spawn killing is rampant in the server where I play in and most of the pple who do it claim that its a tactic. I've been searching through this forums on whether its a tactic or just a cheap shot, since marines have ranged weapons and can just kill spawning aliens in a matter of seconds.
I've actually read through a few threads which attempts to address the issue and it would be great if someone would explain to me whether its legimate, (so that if the comm asks me to do that I wouldn't argue with him) because in the servers that I frequent, there are commanders who place 1 person at our hive, kills every alien that spawns while the commander provides him med/ammo.
I've been playing DOD before I migrated to NS and since spawn camping is being frowned on in DOD, I would just like to know whats the take on spawn killing in NS.
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Well there is no "law" against spawn camping / spawn killing. But personally, I think it is very lame. An alien can't really do anything against a spawn camper, either kill the hive or go away...
in THEORY, spawn camping shouldn't last too long. the trick is to run away. and wait for a sufficient num of aliens to spawn alive, to come back and kill the spawn camper. altho, often, you get really good shots dominating the hive.
in the end, it's a server preference.
The idea behind spawn camping is that it takes advantage of players who are unable to react.
If it's one guy doing it for 10 minutes just to keep the aliens contained so the marines can uber-tech-up then it's lame... If one guy has 5-10 minutes alone in the hive, killing everything that moves, then he should just call the rest of the marines to finish the game.
If it's one guy doing it for 10 minutes just to keep the aliens contained so the marines can uber-tech-up then it's lame... If one guy has 5-10 minutes alone in the hive, killing everything that moves, then he should just call the rest of the marines to finish the game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree 100%.
Of course that camping doesn't work in every hive, like in sewer hive for example, but in eclipse it is very effective.
If the marine is in to a good position against the wall, where he can see all entrances, those uncarapaced skulks doesn't stand a change when they spawn.
I have done that few times in eclipse hive, but i dont do it anymore. Because i have been in the aliens side when someone is camping in our hive and i know how lame it is.
My rational for it is simply that as an alien, we would always go for the IP's in a rush, hang over them wait for spawn etc etc.
Not as easy as marine spawn camping - but the bottom line is early game aliens can do a form of spawn camping themselves which the marines on the other team probably don't enjoy as a "good game".
JayK
Aliens can spawn camp too, so it goes both ways.
There's spawn camping, and then there's spawn covering.
Covering is where you shoot the spawners until the shooters kill the hive, or back up arrives to blow the **** out the hive. This however shouldn't last longer than 2 min without an attempt to kill the hive.
Camping's just being lame and sitting in the courner and score a few frags.
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Most clanners accept it because it's a tactic that helps you win, and any tactic that's allowed in game is pretty much fair game.
A good deal of pubbers will probably give you the response that it's "Cheap" and "uncalled for".
My opinion is that if Flayra didn't want it to exist he'd do something against it. So far, I've seen a slight nerf tossed into the 1.1 changelog where spawning aliens get a bit of umbra. Other than that, I say fire at will.
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I agree, it's a valid tactic on clan-matches, but hell no on pubs. Pubs are for people to join and have fun, it's NOT fun being spawn camped, and with 2 good marines and a comm supplying health and ammo there is no way to get out of the spawn camp in most cases, depending on the hive room. In the end, spawn camping is boring for the aliens and that makes the devs frown upon it, since they want to create a fun mod and not a, omg-I-can-kill-many-skulks-who-can't-do-jackshit!
Pros:
Marines should be allowed to use the most effective strategies availible. This includes directly assaulting the hive, which inevitably means that you will have to camp the spawn.
The aliens on the other side, should protect the hive at all costs, if you allow marines in there it's your own damn fault.
Noone objects if you camp out at an IP.
Cons:
Aliens have poor defences against it once the marine(s) are actually inside, since they spawn without upgrades, they are very easy to kill.
Setting up static defense will set you back significantly.
The idea behind spawn camping is that it takes advantage of players who are unable to react. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
In that case, sneaking up on players and biting them is also cheap, as they can't react until you're in melee with them. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
In dod. Spawn camping is all legit to me if A. there is a spawn safe zone were you are clear of danger, even if this zone is only 1 foot long or B. Beach map.
There's spawn camping, and then there's spawn covering.
Covering is where you shoot the spawners until the shooters kill the hive, or back up arrives to blow the **** out the hive. This however shouldn't last longer than 2 min without an attempt to kill the hive.
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I agree, kill the hive and go, when aliens+marines stack by the spawn to rack up kills is lame.
My playstyle is to kill the IP/hive/whatever and get it over with, anything else is lame
I agree that it can be a tactic when 1 marine is just spawn killing while the rest is shooting the hive, but normally its just 1 vet who does it in the early in the game and they normally don't touch the hive at all. I know it kind of sounds like I'm whining but seriously its no fun at all to play against a team of clanners who employ that "tactic" without attempting to kill off the hive and when we F4 cuz there really isn't a point playing on since most that are on our team are new too(clanners tend to stick together), we just get railed at for not having "sportmanship".
It would be great if aliens spawn in umbra! I can't wait for the new version to be released. Thanks for the help, appreciated it lots.
It's mostly a weakness that mappers can fix; with some hives, one marine can stand as a safe distance and skulks have little or no chance of running away or killing the marine.
I'd like them to move spawns around and other things so it isn't as effective in some of the hives; in smaller games it really seems to be hopeless once a marine is spawn camping you at a vulnerable hive. But I guess they fixed this in a different way already.
I never seen single marines or in groups made it into the spawn with all aliens running around. Or completing the total hive death.
In public maybe it's lame but in clanmatches i completly support it. It means that a failed rush and a empty hive could be your death.
But it's a moot point because of the umbra in 1.1.
The thing about NS is, if your spawn is under attack, your entire team needs to defend it. If that doesn't work, relax. The round will be over soon. That's not cheap; it's an endgame. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Hive health is 6K. I once read in general disgussion that it takes 13 unupgradable lmg clips to kill a hive.
Exploiting an enemies weakness?!?! What a crack pot tactic that is!
I think spawn camping is a valid tactic while it can still be done, if you have the skill to pull it off, then fair play to you. I know a lot of clans like to send 2-3 guys into the aliens hive to slow them down while they dominate the resources, then march in and kill the hive when you are ready. Look at Team EU, they pulled a similar tactic, ok, they didnt kill the US aliens as they spawned, but very few made it out of the hive to the next res tower. Spawn "camping" or "covering" or whatever you want to call it is a really strong tactic, so I will use it. Admitedly it is a bit stupid on a public server as those games are for fun, therefore using a very strong tactic over and over is of no benefit to anyone.
-spawn-camping is cheap if you don't kill the hive or do it for raising personal status.
-spawn-camping is not cheap if you are there to kill the hive
-i aply these rules for public servers, clanmatches are different than public so there spawn-camping can be a valid tactic.
see, it's that simple. who wouldn't say that spawn-camping without killing the hive is lame. ALSO the objective of the 'rines is: expand and tech up while fighting of the kharaa while the kharaa must prevent the 'rines from expanding(although the 'rines sometimes only expand to the corner in their spawn).
and why do so many forget NS should be fun for both sides. you shouldn't spawn-camp in public servers where peeps play for fun.
-spawn-camping is cheap if you don't kill the hive or do it for raising personal status.
-spawn-camping is not cheap if you are there to kill the hive
-i aply these rules for public servers, clanmatches are different than public so there spawn-camping can be a valid tactic.
see, it's that simple. who wouldn't say that spawn-camping without killing the hive is lame. ALSO the objective of the 'rines is: expand and tech up while fighting of the kharaa while the kharaa must prevent the 'rines from expanding(although the 'rines sometimes only expand to the corner in their spawn).
and why do so many forget NS should be fun for both sides. you shouldn't spawn-camp in public servers where peeps play for fun. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I totally agree, nicely put!
<b>SPAWN CAMPING IN PUBLIC SERVER IS LAME, DON'T DO IT</b>
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The idea behind spawn camping is that it takes advantage of players who are unable to react.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hey so sitting in a corner to ambush is illegal to huh?