Raptor-skulk Replacement

129th_lerk_airborne_division · June 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">need help with it</div> hi, i downloaded milkshape 9 days ago and started trying to model a raptor for a skulk replacement, though im having little sucess with it * if not any * all the guides make no sense, i cant make my model 3-D, i have no idea what to do <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'> if anyone could help me by telling how to use the bottom left and top right model view, how to make a body etc would be most grateful

129th_lerk_airborne_division · June 2003

picture of leg. what a mess <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

129th_lerk_airborne_division · June 2003

illustration of it.

CrouchingHamster · June 2003

Try these. Intro to Milkshape, read parts 1-6. Fairly clearly written and easy to follow
<a href='http://www.machinima.com/articleselected.php?value=category&id=2' target='_blank'>http://www.machinima.com/articleselected.p...e=category&id=2</a>

Slightly more advanced, but still not too complex.
<a href='http://xu1productions.com/3dstudio/tuts/tmgun.html' target='_blank'>http://xu1productions.com/3dstudio/tuts/tmgun.html</a>

Even more advanced. Leave this till last.
<a href='http://www.polygods.com/tutorial.php?tid=11&page=1' target='_blank'>http://www.polygods.com/tutorial.php?tid=11&page=1</a>

I think these are useful because they cover different ways of approaching the same problems. See what suits you best.

Edit: Having had a look at what you're trying to make, I think maybe you should have a look at the zombie one ( the last one on my list ), looks like that technique might work nicely for this.

The_0range_MarinE_2 · June 2003

Couldn't help ya, but nice drawing.. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

NightCrawlerz · June 2003

When you click to make your faces between the verticces you have to always either go CLOCK WISE or COUNTERCLOCK WISE beacuse that detiremines what side will be black and which side will be white. So you shoudl probobly re do that. and this time remeber to click clockwise. ALWAYS go one way

Delarosa · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NightCrawler. @ Jun 10 2003, 10:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>When you click to make your faces between the verticces you have to always either go CLOCK WISE or COUNTERCLOCK WISE beacuse that detiremines what side will be black and which side will be white. So you shoudl probobly re do that. and this time remeber to click clockwise. ALWAYS go one way</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
alas he is right... BUT, remember, work in flat shaded, and don't be afraid of one little Crtl-Z (Edit -> Undo)

also, to create a more "3d" portion, try building verticies "out" in the top/front views... and connect them in a 3D area...

Jezpuh · June 2003

Wouldn't a raptor be to big for a skulk?

I think you can rather use it as fade.

129th_lerk_airborne_division · June 2003

no it's not ment to be big *btw how big should the model be ?* , im gonna extend the claws , head lower down or maybe no neck and smaller tail, plus raptors dont shoot acid rockets <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

enf0rcer · June 2003

also i notice that you make alot of faces that cross over eachother. Look at the picture for an explaination. Work in flat shaded (right click on 3d projection) to see if you made a black face. If you have you select that face and only that face (deselect others if you have by mistake using shift+right click) then press ctrl+shift+f. hope this helps.

e/ oh and that isn't a raptor you're trying to make its a compy.

NightCrawlerz · June 2003

enforcer weres our zergling?

o yeah an a raptor would be cool... a mini raptor pwnzor

enf0rcer · June 2003

stop asking about the freakin zergling. every time you PM me it sends twice. all i have are PMs from you in my box. It's got no animations and there isn't anything i can do with it.

Akalamanaia · June 2003

/me sees lots of backward/overlapping faces... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'>

129th_lerk_airborne_division · June 2003

not a compy, compys dont have the razor sharp claw by their feet, then again you can't say what a raptor looks like, nor can i, no one has ever seen a dinosaur, the raptors ons on jurrasic park were too tall aswell, though the sounds where nice

129th_lerk_airborne_division · June 2003

how do i use the top right window and bottom left window ? all these tutorials are impossible to follow especialy when something isnt going right <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

enf0rcer · June 2003

they are different perspectives of your model. right click on them and select 3d mode to get a better idea of what angle you are looking at your model.

Frikk · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-=129th lerk airborne division=- @ Jun 10 2003, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> not a compy, compys dont have the razor sharp claw by their feet, then again you can't say what a raptor looks like, nor can i, no one has ever seen a dinosaur, the raptors ons on jurrasic park were too tall aswell, though the sounds where nice </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Actually the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park were miss named. When they were called Velociraptors it was because Spielberg wanted something more ferocious that a waist high fast little predator. After JP came out they found the skeleton of the Utah Raptor, U. ostrommaysorum. It's approximately the size of the 'Raptors in the movie, more or less. If you wanted something that is scientifically accurate and looked like a skulk I'd go with a Thecodont. It's basically the predecessor of the dinosaurs, birds, alligators, and Pterosaurs all rolled up into one. Only problem is that it's not as fast. Also, the Compsognathus did have claws on it's feet, just not huge frigging scythes. Since the skulk attacks mostly with it's jaws it makes sense.

Either way I'd love to see this, because of my obvious interest in the subject. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

xexe · June 2003

heres a pic of the Thecodont <img src='http://members.optusnet.com.au/xexe/Thecodont.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

The_Snake · June 2003

Yeah...real skulk material. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

THErat · June 2003

i saw a dinosoar in real life, he was my best pall, then one day he wanted me to smoke a cigeret, and i was like "pfff you fool u know what that does to u!" and hes like "ya makes me look cool" and im all "you cant man it will get you hooked" and then i saw him pass them out to all the other dinosoars, and they were smoking. so i went over to them and said "if all of you keep doing that your going to go extinct" and they are like "why dont you think out side the box?" and im like "because change scares me, i will keep my bushes" and then i ran away. when is lunch?

129th_lerk_airborne_division · June 2003

the dinosaurs where named correctly i thinked in jurrassic park, though their heights are questionable, raptors where smaller than that and spinosaurus where smaller aswell, *off topic* Frikk you watch this documentry of a new species of raptors they think they discovered called mega raptors, they were ment to be twice the height of utah raptor

anyway started again on the model, progressing badly <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'> im not doing a proper raptor it's a raptor with huge frigging sycthe like claws on its feet for the leap attack, long claws on its hand
heres a roughly what it's ment to be like * made it in 5 mins in microsoft paint*

CaptainPanaka · June 2003

tbh.... I'd just convert the one from Gunman: Chronicles to NS...

<img src='http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/previews/oct00/gun03.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

<img src='http://www.gunmanchronicles.de/images/Creatures/Rheptor-mittel-1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

129th_lerk_airborne_division · June 2003

ok i've added the raptor in, though it has no running animations, it hovers above the ground aswell and it's head twitches left to right alot <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

129th_lerk_airborne_division · June 2003

hovering above ground

129th_lerk_airborne_division · June 2003

takes ages for it to lower it's head and sniff the ground

129th_lerk_airborne_division · June 2003

forgot attachment <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'>

Frikk · June 2003

Heh, that's pretty cool.

The Thecodont was a group of organisms, not just one species, there were more suitable thecondonts for the skulk than just that picture.

And, no I haven't seen that program, sounds cool though. Discovery Channel?

NightCrawlerz · June 2003

i have some good ideas for animating it...... but alas my milk shape expired <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'> and now i cant do anything

Akalamanaia · June 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-=129th lerk airborne division=- @ Jun 11 2003, 10:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> forgot attachment <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
that could be idle anim.. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>.Night Crawler Pm me,im Doctor for your milkshape problems <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> .

Chubbieboi · June 2003

Raptor stands on its 2 hind legs while a skulk stands on its all fours

i reckon

fade = Velociraptor
skulk = Compy's (possibly) maybe baby Stegasaurus
Gorge = the dinosaur wit hthe rock tail
ONOs = TRICEROTOPS <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

NightCrawlerz · June 2003

THis is going to be my first time animating SO send me the file with it boned and all ready for me to animate it and ill do my best <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> i tested animateing out on an arm and i did pretty dame good <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

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