Totally Ignorant Pseudo-science In Ns
<div class="IPBDescription">Makes the game seem so childish</div> Why the hell is there so much pseudo-scientific crap in natural-selection? The name of the game its self makes the game seem childish and ignorant from the start. 'Natural selection' is the natural selection of genetic traits by nature to help animals survive, so what does that have to do with the game? The only logical thing I can think of that 'natural selection' is supposed to mean as the title of this game, is the idea someone who has a poor knowledge of science came up with, thinking that natural selection is when nature selects the strongest of 2 battling species. It sounds to me like the creators of the mod just wanted it to sound scientific and they chose the first scientific term that they came across, pretty sad really. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
And another thing, the 'primal scream' attack that the Onos has, is another implication of the scientific ignorance of the creators of this game. 'Primal scream' is a type of psychological therapy. Once again, it looks like the creators of the mod just used any old 'scientific sounding' phrase to name one of their attacks.
There are countless other things like this in the game, which unfortunately, make a well designed game with good gameplay, look like the brainchild of an 8 year old kid who just watched the Aliens movies and decided to come up with his own Alien story, flipping through the pages of his daddy's science book to find the terms which sound the most intelligent.
And another thing, the 'primal scream' attack that the Onos has, is another implication of the scientific ignorance of the creators of this game. 'Primal scream' is a type of psychological therapy. Once again, it looks like the creators of the mod just used any old 'scientific sounding' phrase to name one of their attacks.
There are countless other things like this in the game, which unfortunately, make a well designed game with good gameplay, look like the brainchild of an 8 year old kid who just watched the Aliens movies and decided to come up with his own Alien story, flipping through the pages of his daddy's science book to find the terms which sound the most intelligent.
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You're obviously reading far too much into it. Remember, <b>this is a game</b>. The term 'natural selection' implies survival of the fittest - in this case, two species' (aliens and humans) battling for dominance and control of a base or station.
Well, what name do you think would fit the theme of the game more accurately? 'Kharaa vs. Frontiersman'? 'Guns vs. Teeth'? 'When Aliens Attack: The Frontiersman Chronicles'? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
In the games case this is just a struggle between two species and the species with the stronger traits will survive. The other will not. That is also Natural Selection. The selection of the dominant species. The name also pertains towards the fact that the Kharaa 'evolve' and 'select' their traits
Primal Scream is a cool name and it gives you an idea of what it is. A scream, which is primal in nature <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->. They're not gonna call it the Funky Banana Launcher are they? Not all names can be researched throughout the world just to make sure it isn't already used in commonplace or scientific circles.
Trying to remember the manual from over 6 months ago is hard, but if your gonna bother picking on the whole IP/phasegate/Obs technology don't bother. From my very limited understanding of current quantum physics, its scientifically plausable. Its just how you go about causing it to happen thats the problem
Better get some more lessons.
Now on to your post.
Natural Selection is basically a path to evolution. To sum up the theory of natural selection. It is survival of the fittest, be this through combat or otherwise. Now lets look at your comment.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The only logical thing I can think of that 'natural selection' is supposed to mean as the title of this game, is the idea someone who has a poor knowledge of science came up with, thinking that natural selection is when nature selects the strongest of 2 battling species.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well as I stated above, natural selection is in ecsence survival of the fittest. And in the game Natural Selection, two species battle each other to ensure the survival of their race.
Ok, argument 1 shot down, on to the next one.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And another thing, the 'primal scream' attack that the Onos has, is another implication of the scientific ignorance of the creators of this game. 'Primal scream' is a type of psychological therapy.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well lets see what primal scream does in-game. It is a scream (check) that allows the aliens to succumb to thier primal (check) urges ie. bloodlust.
Hrm, both of your points shot down with minimal effort. I think I'll go to bed now.
Natural selection has nothing to do with 2 species battling eachother. When you use the argument that the aliens 'morph' to adapt (Not that they do adapt, they merely get more powerful in a linear way), you are using MORE pseudo-science anyway, because it is not possible for one type of animal to just suddenly turn into another. Furthermore, no actual adaption is required, it is a purely linear struggle for power. You get more resources, you get stronger, you get less resources, you get less stronger. In REALITY, there are billions upon billions of potential ways an animal may adapt. Your understanding of natural selection is pretty poor
Oh, and you spelled loud wrong.
Oh, and when you said "animals will adapt to thier surroundings, both in behavioural and physical traits, in order to try to become the dominant species of its location", this was also wrong, as the goal is purely survival, not to become dominant per se.
May I suggest actually playing the game?
And if Flayra and co did pull these scientific-sounding names out of a hat they're in good company. The creators and plot writers of the hugely popular Star Trek series pulled names for all their spiffy doovers from nowhere too. As a matter of fact they seem to be eerily good at it. One example is that in modern research, researchers are using di-lithium crystals as their collision plates in their study of matter/antimatter annihilation. Star Trek came up with the term “tri-lithium crystals” that did something essential in spaceship’s “warp cores”. Not too far off.
--Scythe--
At no point in this game do you become more able to collect resources. There is no adaption. It is merely a linear struggle for resources.
I appreciate, however that you didn't resort to personal intults, or belittling me, like some of the sad nerds here have.
You're obviously reading far too much into it. Remember, <b>this is a game</b>. The term 'natural selection' implies survival of the fittest - in this case, two species' (aliens and humans) battling for dominance and control of a base or station.
Well, what name do you think would fit the theme of the game more accurately? 'Kharaa vs. Frontiersman'? 'Guns vs. Teeth'? 'When Aliens Attack: The Frontiersman Chronicles'? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
How about: 'Flayra's Interpretation Of The Alien Films'?
Quick, get rid of Metabolize! We have a new 2-hive fade ability <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Yes, but it is pretty irritating to fight a brilliant battle with great gameplay, then have to see some pseudo scientific crap pop up on your screen and ruin it all.
As I have said, the ability to collect resources does not change throughout the game, you do not, for example, grow faster legs to get to the resources faster than the enemy. It is a purely linear struggle which is NOT what natural selection is.
Better get some more lessons. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks for your reply <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I would appriciate if you could have backed your statements up with proof, or insulted my intelligence without using words such as 'wisekid' which do not exist. It seems to me like you were too dumb to understand a word I said, and chose to insult me because I got you frustrated.
But still, thanks for your reply <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I am away for 30 minutes or so and that is running off? How pathetic are you? Some people do have lives you know.
Does anybody else see the irony inherent in someone complaining about the use of pseudo-science in a <b>game</b> calling other people nerds ? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Mods, better close this, this is going to be a flame war.
I appreciate, however that you didn't resort to personal intults, or belittling me, like some of the sad nerds here have.
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Yes, but it is pretty irritating to fight a brilliant battle with great gameplay, then have to see some pseudo scientific crap pop up on your screen and ruin it all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh-huh.
What about building more resource nodes? What about taking control of portions of the map to secure more resource nodes? What about employing new tactics to gain more control of the map?
If pseudo-science ruins your day then you seriously need to step back and look at yourself. It Is A Game. It Is For Fun.
I'm sorry but none of your arguments are really hitting the nail here. To me they all seem to have one purpose: To attract criticism.
--Scythe--
P.S. Insults? My god...
Now on to your post.
Natural Selection is basically a path to evolution. To sum up the theory of natural selection. It is survival of the fittest, be this through combat or otherwise. Now lets look at your comment.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The only logical thing I can think of that 'natural selection' is supposed to mean as the title of this game, is the idea someone who has a poor knowledge of science came up with, thinking that natural selection is when nature selects the strongest of 2 battling species.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well as I stated above, natural selection is in ecsence survival of the fittest. And in the game Natural Selection, two species battle each other to ensure the survival of their race.
Ok, argument 1 shot down, on to the next one.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And another thing, the 'primal scream' attack that the Onos has, is another implication of the scientific ignorance of the creators of this game. 'Primal scream' is a type of psychological therapy.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well lets see what primal scream does in-game. It is a scream (check) that allows the aliens to succumb to thier primal (check) urges ie. bloodlust.
Hrm, both of your points shot down with minimal effort. I think I'll go to bed now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi, let's be friends.
You summed up the 'ecsence' of natural selection pretty well with 'survival of the fittest', you conviniently missed out, however that the essence is not actually the reality of it, and it goes deeper than that simple statement. As I have stated before, natural-selection does not correspond with the reality of um...natural selection.
As your infantile and arrogant self would say.
ARGUMENT SHOT DOWN.
Also, the aliens do experience natural selection; the ones better equipped live longer. You're thinking of Evolution, which they don't experience. If they experienced Evolution they would be born differently. All this is based on the idea that there isn't a hive controlling their growth, their different morphs, etc. Real science goes out the window when you add an all-controlling entity dictating what the aliens do.
Oh, and you forgot a period.
May I suggest actually playing the game?
And if Flayra and co did pull these scientific-sounding names out of a hat they're in good company. The creators and plot writers of the hugely popular Star Trek series pulled names for all their spiffy doovers from nowhere too. As a matter of fact they seem to be eerily good at it. One example is that in modern research, researchers are using di-lithium crystals as their collision plates in their study of matter/antimatter annihilation. Star Trek came up with the term “tri-lithium crystals” that did something essential in spaceship’s “warp cores”. Not too far off.
--Scythe-- <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did I say NS was bad? I said it had good gameplay and was well designed. I also said it contained pseudo-science.
If you deduce from this, that I was saying natural selection was a bad game, it must only be because you belive pseudo-science can ruin a game.
Does anybody else see the irony inherent in someone complaining about the use of pseudo-science in a <b>game</b> calling other people nerds ? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are confusing knowledge with nerdiness. Typical of an ignoramus.
Does anybody else see the irony inherent in someone complaining about the use of pseudo-science in a <b>game</b> calling other people nerds ? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are confusing knowledge with nerdiness. Typical of an ignoramus. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Define nerds then for those of us not in-the-know.
I appreciate, however that you didn't resort to personal intults, or belittling me, like some of the sad nerds here have.
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Yes, but it is pretty irritating to fight a brilliant battle with great gameplay, then have to see some pseudo scientific crap pop up on your screen and ruin it all. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh-huh.
What about building more resource nodes? What about taking control of portions of the map to secure more resource nodes? What about employing new tactics to gain more control of the map?
If pseudo-science ruins your day then you seriously need to step back and look at yourself. It Is A Game. It Is For Fun.
I'm sorry but none of your arguments are really hitting the nail here. To me they all seem to have one purpose: To attract criticism.
--Scythe--
P.S. Insults? My god... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
When did I say pseudo-science ruins my day? Building resource nodes and such is not the human race changing genetically. Taking control of a portion of a map is not changing genetically. Employing tactics of not changing genetically.
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