why not? my parakeets love music. so does my baby guinea pig.. well maybe not so much her.. they say guinea pigs like bell sounds or something quite like that. if i played classical, i'm sure she'd enjoy it. my birds are particularly radiohead fans.. that's when they really start singing along.
chimpanzees are intellegent creatures. i'm not sure if they're as intellegent as a gorilla. it's been proven that they have emotions and are aware of the past, present, and future. take micheal and koko for example. i'm sure they can appreciate music, but not exactly the same way we analyze it and such.
Well sure chimpanzees are intelligent, but that doesn't answer my question. I mean, how do you know if a dolphin dreams in color for instance. Sure, its intelligent, and perhaps the dolphin does some strange reaction when colored lights are flashed on him in a dream. But maybe its just reacting to the light. I mean you're not a dolphin, how are you supposed to know what they see/think?
Philosophers think that color is all in your head. You "think" colors because you associate that concept with the wavelength projected to your eye which in turn is assimilated in your head as an idea. Maybe music is all in our heads too? Why should we assume music is anything more than a human concept? It could be noise to every other animal on this planet. Hell, it is noise to anyone who doesn't like the music that's playing, so it isn't entirely true for human species either.
<!--QuoteBegin--Hawkeye+May 20 2003, 07:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ May 20 2003, 07:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why should we assume music is anything more than a human concept? It could be noise to every other animal on this planet. Hell, it is noise to anyone who doesn't like the music that's playing, so it isn't entirely true for human species either. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just click it.
The name 'Homo Sapiens' is incorrect. Genetically, we are part of the 'Pan' family of apes, the chimpanzees (Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen suggested changing the scientific human name to 'Pan Narrans', 'Storytelling chimp'). Seeing that the enjoyment of rythmic sound (->music) is a feature we have from birth, I'd wager our close relatives have it, too.
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Sure perhaps birds can sing, but I sincerely doubt is for the enjoyment of themselves and other birds alike. They do that for mating calls and warnings and such things like that. Never for entertainment. So maybe they that's the only sort of thing that will come out of their mouths. The same thing for whales. If the only sound you could make out of your mouth was a singing voice, does this mean you are singing? Not because you enjoy music and singing do you make this noise, but because you have to.
To a 3 year old, what is music but something you are supposed to dance to? You see them dance when music comes on, but it could be Mozart or Baha Men singing "Who let the dogs out?" They have no way of distinguishing tastes, but they know it is noise and they dance to it (like chimpanzees).
It's not just noise tho is it. It's rythmic sounds. Babies don't dance about to traffic noise do they? They can blatently distinguish between random noise and music. Why is is so hard to grasp that chimps may be able to do this to?
But babies do react to traffic noise as well as music. It depends on the age. But eventually, young children are able to distinguish noise from music (but nothing more than that), because their parents only encourage them when it is music and not noise. That's true for chimps. If we teach them sign language and give them a cookie everytime they do something cute, they are just doing it for the food. It doesn't mean they know what dancing is. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
If aliens landed on Earth and took out a weird-looking boom box and played some horrible noises very very loud near a football stadium while a game was going on, everybody would cover their ears. What you're suggesting is that us covering our ears is a sign that we are reacting to music, therefore we must like it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Hawkeye+May 21 2003, 02:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ May 21 2003, 02:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If aliens landed on Earth and took out a weird-looking boom box and played some horrible noises very very loud near a football stadium while a game was going on, everybody would cover their ears. What you're suggesting is that us covering our ears is a sign that we are reacting to music, therefore we must like it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, you are giving the apes a little too little credit, I'm afraid. They are proveably capable of abstraction - such as sign languages, which do <i>not</i> consist of repeated actions, but the 'innovative' use of repeated actions - and thus, I'm inclined to assume they have the ability to react purposely positive on certain patterns of sounds (whether we would recognize them as 'music' left aside), which would mean that they enjoy music, for a given definition of the word.
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Philosophers think that color is all in your head. You "think" colors because you associate that concept with the wavelength projected to your eye which in turn is assimilated in your head as an idea. Maybe music is all in our heads too? Why should we assume music is anything more than a human concept? It could be noise to every other animal on this planet. Hell, it is noise to anyone who doesn't like the music that's playing, so it isn't entirely true for human species either.
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We could. You can teach them sign language.
Sure perhaps birds can sing, but I sincerely doubt is for the enjoyment of themselves and other birds alike. They do that for mating calls and warnings and such things like that. Never for entertainment. So maybe they that's the only sort of thing that will come out of their mouths. The same thing for whales. If the only sound you could make out of your mouth was a singing voice, does this mean you are singing? Not because you enjoy music and singing do you make this noise, but because you have to.
To a 3 year old, what is music but something you are supposed to dance to? You see them dance when music comes on, but it could be Mozart or Baha Men singing "Who let the dogs out?" They have no way of distinguishing tastes, but they know it is noise and they dance to it (like chimpanzees).
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If aliens landed on Earth and took out a weird-looking boom box and played some horrible noises very very loud near a football stadium while a game was going on, everybody would cover their ears. What you're suggesting is that us covering our ears is a sign that we are reacting to music, therefore we must like it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well, you are giving the apes a little too little credit, I'm afraid. They are proveably capable of abstraction - such as sign languages, which do <i>not</i> consist of repeated actions, but the 'innovative' use of repeated actions - and thus, I'm inclined to assume they have the ability to react purposely positive on certain patterns of sounds (whether we would recognize them as 'music' left aside), which would mean that they enjoy music, for a given definition of the word.