i think that the devs are like the rest of us normal people.
They dont want someone to steal there thunder. I dont mind, not know makes every one want 1.1 more. and nobodys wasting time giveing us info. So less time wasted = faster we get 1.1
Well i enjoyed reading that Playtester's Journal, although i think there was NO Information posted that one could not have found in the forums, too. It was just interessting to see how 1.1 "feels" to a playtester.
But the thing i really would like to know is why the 1.1 Information Thread has been closed?? By whom and why?? It was informative, neutral and objective (the most).. and all i did was collecting and quoting statements from devs/playtesters from the Website or Forums.
Yah, NS is in stark contrast to say Desert Combat. They show off screenies everyday, tell people whats going on, and you know, no matter how much they tell the community it doesnt dull my interest in the game. Makes me want it even more....
It's possible it was locked because whenever anything by a PT was posted that contained 1.1 anywhere in the post, it was being pasted in that thread, regardless of how minor it was.
Anyway, it's up to MonsE and Flayra when they release stuff, so just relax. You do trust them don't you ?
<!--QuoteBegin--Marik_Steele+May 7 2003, 07:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik_Steele @ May 7 2003, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Then there's also the fact that MonsE is an ex-marine, and the rumor that one of the many punishments for violating the NDA is [REMAINDER OF POST EDITED OUT] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ex Marine? looking like that? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Dr_Shaggy+May 7 2003, 07:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dr_Shaggy @ May 7 2003, 07:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Fam+May 8 2003, 12:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fam @ May 8 2003, 12:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> -slot 4 weapon is a "laser" on the moon, which is aimed using an Etch-A-Sketch and a Lego Technics set. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats just fantastic. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> hehehe I got a chuckle out of it to.
<!--QuoteBegin--NecromanZer+May 8 2003, 03:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NecromanZer @ May 8 2003, 03:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yah, NS is in stark contrast to say Desert Combat. They show off screenies everyday, tell people whats going on, and you know, no matter how much they tell the community it doesnt dull my interest in the game. Makes me want it even more.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, I agree. The only reason I can see right now is to keep Flayra's mailbox clear of spams. I'm pretty sure we havn't heard everything, since more and more leaks out eventually. With DC .3 the Dev team told the community EVERYTHING about what was gonna be on the next patch, and the community nor the dev team suffered because of it.
I'd also say one of the reasons for not releasing a deluge of information is that they are/we're actively testing features for 1.1, and so can't/couldn't be sure of what is actually gonna be included in 1.1.
Personally I don't complain about the devs/testers not letting us know every little change/feature of 1.1, I think they do a great job and have full trust in them... I just complain about the lack of... let's call it "progress report".
If there are things like "there will be a training level like the original HL hazard Course to give newbies a little information before entering multiplayer matches" it would be nice to know, but it would also make a good surprise. But WHAT I'd like to know are things like "We were testing the new Lerk Flying for quite a while now and most of the playtesters think it's very got to steer. It has a whole different feeling and will probably see play in a slightly different way than it does now"
You know.. just something to keep in touch with the community (and that's why I think it was a very bad move to close the info-thread).
I think 1.1 is going to be a great patch, I wouldn't be surprised if the game became much more popular after 1.1. I think most if not all the balance issues will be sorted, and I think it will have some cool new features. I also think the marines will play better with the new commander features. Now I can split my marines into two groups and lock down two hives at once.
I think one very simple reason very little has been released is that the devs don't want to be locked into certain game aspects. Say the devs released a bit of info saying "Marines will have an upgraded resource tower that gathers res at twice the rate". The forums would be filled within minutes with people talking about it, and this would become known as a feature in 1.1. However, playtesting reveals that this is highly unbalanced and it is removed, but since the community already expects this feature, it's hard for the devs to go back on their word. See what I'm getting at? By remaining fairly vague, and not giving out numbers, Flayra and the devs can be highly flexible. Notice how they've never released how much damage electrified tfs or rts do: this is so they can shape the numbers to just the right balance. I for one have no problem with the devs doing this; i'd hate to see the devs "forced" to uphold prior "promises" even when they are unbalanced. Rest assured that 1.1 will come. I have complete confidence in the devs delivering the product when it is ready and not a moment beforehand. In the meantime, Ragnarok Online has sort of consummed my entire life, so I'll keep playing it until 1.1 arrives <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
NDA for a Half-Life modification seems a bit overboard but, HEY; whatever floats peoples boats and keeps people from leaking information is what you need to do I guess.
<!--QuoteBegin--abtm+May 8 2003, 10:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (abtm @ May 8 2003, 10:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> NDA for a Half-Life modification seems a bit overboard but, HEY; whatever floats peoples boats and keeps people from leaking information is what you need to do I guess. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There isnt really a NDA it's more like, please don't leak information or you won't be playtesting.
its probably not an official NDA, but more of a "flayra wont trust you with 1.2 if you leak crap about 1.1"
one thing i ahvent heard of all in any discussion thread is a hazard course, that would be great, just to include "this is a comm chair, soemtiems called CC. dont get in it you n00b" and "this is a resource nozzle, you want to own those..."
OK, I would PM this, but with the amount of people that have responded... Why can't you guys all wait patiently like some of us are? They'll finish testing it, release it, and <b>then</b> we should start talking about 1.1. I seriously don't understand the need to know everything before we try it. We'll get it when we get it, they'll release it when they release it, and they don't really need to tell us what's changing, if we get to play it, anyways. Sheesh.
Sorry if this sounds a little mean, but I've been wading through 1.1 threads for well over 3 months, and I'm getting sick and tired of hearing people complain about the time it is taking them. 1.04 is fine, go find a server that doesn't stack. /me gets off soapbox
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edited May 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--ZupiCo+May 8 2003, 11:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZupiCo @ May 8 2003, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wanna see an onos using an etch-a-sketch!!! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not pretty.
OMG HAX!!! that fat thing has an etech a sketch!!! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
omg i wanna be a contributer and start work on the etch a sketch model. itll be anywhere from 6 polies (cube!) to a few thousand, to adequately design the knobs. wait, no, im lieing.
<!--QuoteBegin--ZupiCo+May 8 2003, 03:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZupiCo @ May 8 2003, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wanna see an onos using an etch-a-sketch!!! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> just a quicky. Enjoy the moment. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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They dont want someone to steal there thunder.
I dont mind, not know makes every one want 1.1 more. and nobodys wasting time giveing us info. So less time wasted = faster we get 1.1
Just my two cents
It was just interessting to see how 1.1 "feels" to a playtester.
But the thing i really would like to know is why the 1.1 Information Thread has been closed??
By whom and why??
It was informative, neutral and objective (the most).. and all i did was collecting and quoting statements from devs/playtesters from the Website or Forums.
Sad thing...
-my2cent-
Hyper
Anyway, it's up to MonsE and Flayra when they release stuff, so just relax. You do trust them don't you ?
Ex Marine? looking like that? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
-slot 4 weapon is a "laser" on the moon, which is aimed using an Etch-A-Sketch and a Lego Technics set.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats just fantastic. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
hehehe I got a chuckle out of it to.
Damned Dr. Evil wanna be Flayra :-p
haha jk
Yes, I agree. The only reason I can see right now is to keep Flayra's mailbox clear of spams. I'm pretty sure we havn't heard everything, since more and more leaks out eventually. With DC .3 the Dev team told the community EVERYTHING about what was gonna be on the next patch, and the community nor the dev team suffered because of it.
If there are things like "there will be a training level like the original HL hazard Course to give newbies a little information before entering multiplayer matches" it would be nice to know, but it would also make a good surprise.
But WHAT I'd like to know are things like "We were testing the new Lerk Flying for quite a while now and most of the playtesters think it's very got to steer. It has a whole different feeling and will probably see play in a slightly different way than it does now"
You know.. just something to keep in touch with the community (and that's why I think it was a very bad move to close the info-thread).
-my2cent-
Hyper
Say the devs released a bit of info saying "Marines will have an upgraded resource tower that gathers res at twice the rate". The forums would be filled within minutes with people talking about it, and this would become known as a feature in 1.1. However, playtesting reveals that this is highly unbalanced and it is removed, but since the community already expects this feature, it's hard for the devs to go back on their word. See what I'm getting at?
By remaining fairly vague, and not giving out numbers, Flayra and the devs can be highly flexible. Notice how they've never released how much damage electrified tfs or rts do: this is so they can shape the numbers to just the right balance. I for one have no problem with the devs doing this; i'd hate to see the devs "forced" to uphold prior "promises" even when they are unbalanced.
Rest assured that 1.1 will come. I have complete confidence in the devs delivering the product when it is ready and not a moment beforehand. In the meantime, Ragnarok Online has sort of consummed my entire life, so I'll keep playing it until 1.1 arrives <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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GG google <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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There isnt really a NDA it's more like, please don't leak information or you won't be playtesting.
one thing i ahvent heard of all in any discussion thread is a hazard course, that would be great, just to include "this is a comm chair, soemtiems called CC. dont get in it you n00b" and "this is a resource nozzle, you want to own those..."
Why can't you guys all wait patiently like some of us are? They'll finish testing it, release it, and <b>then</b> we should start talking about 1.1. I seriously don't understand the need to know everything before we try it. We'll get it when we get it, they'll release it when they release it, and they don't really need to tell us what's changing, if we get to play it, anyways. Sheesh.
Sorry if this sounds a little mean, but I've been wading through 1.1 threads for well over 3 months, and I'm getting sick and tired of hearing people complain about the time it is taking them. 1.04 is fine, go find a server that doesn't stack.
/me gets off soapbox
It's not pretty.
just a quicky. Enjoy the moment. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
It's not pretty. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
OMG TEH H4X! dam you Coil <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
New desktop background for sure. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->