Is This Cheating?
MEShootHere
Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6975Members
Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6975Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Or just me?</div> Well I came across this little thing:
<a href='http://www.nextwish.org/mods.php?page=script/dayofdefeat' target='_blank'>A script for DoD</a>
It was posted on PHL, which to me signals it is not considered a cheat..
Although some of the knife scripts/fave weapons things are a bit iffy if you ask me.
I'm sure many a script like this exists for NS as well and my main issue is this: is this REALLY cheating? Not on the DoD front of course, but on the NS one. It would seem that a lot of people in the DoD community use such script (CS as well I guess) and it is generally accepted. But is getting an advantage through third party material over people who don't have it cheating?
I vote: YES
Although it makes gameplay easier, it also means that players using this have an unfair advantage over those who dont.
And do "cheat stoppers" like CD detect such scripts? I dont think they do, do they?
<a href='http://www.nextwish.org/mods.php?page=script/dayofdefeat' target='_blank'>A script for DoD</a>
It was posted on PHL, which to me signals it is not considered a cheat..
Although some of the knife scripts/fave weapons things are a bit iffy if you ask me.
I'm sure many a script like this exists for NS as well and my main issue is this: is this REALLY cheating? Not on the DoD front of course, but on the NS one. It would seem that a lot of people in the DoD community use such script (CS as well I guess) and it is generally accepted. But is getting an advantage through third party material over people who don't have it cheating?
I vote: YES
Although it makes gameplay easier, it also means that players using this have an unfair advantage over those who dont.
And do "cheat stoppers" like CD detect such scripts? I dont think they do, do they?
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Let me answer you:
No - In CS/DoD it isn't considered cheating.
Yes - There are some people here that will consider it cheating. Then again, there are people here that will consider wearing your glasses while playing the game cheating.
Yes indeed - Trolls about scripts tend to start flame wars. And this is indeed a troll.
Oh yes - I should have enough forum experience to know better then to reply to this thread.
As for the rest of your points, thank you for your point of view.
I posted this because I have no idea what to think of such scripts.
And as for your trolling, if you don't know why you even reply, then don't.
It looks like this is gonna end in a flamewar anyway.
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As for the rest of your points, thank you for your point of view.
I posted this because I have no idea what to think of such scripts.
And as for your trolling, if you don't know why you even reply, then don't. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Either...
You don't know how these threads turn out, meaning you didn't check the forum or do a search for "scripts". This is one of the deadest horses around.
Or...
You posted it because you know what script "discussions" here turn into and you want to start a flame thread.
*shrug*
Off to buy cookies.
The argument over whether scripts are cheating or not is one which has been around since HL has (probably longer). There are countless threads about this on these forums. Therefore, I'll sum up the argument for why they aren't cheating and then I'm ejecting from this thread.
1: I'd like to point out the difference between exploiting a bug of flaw in the game via the use of a script, and the use of scripts. Scripts may potentially enable people to abuse flaws in games (eg, pistol scripts) but they themselves are not flaws.
2: Scripts, by and large, only simplify things which you can already do. A script which pulls out your knife and slashes, then switches back to your last weapon is not uncommon, and merely a convenience.
3: Scripts do not offer a significant advantage over doing things purely manually. The only time this is not true is when said scripts exploit bugs or other flaws. A script which pulls out your knife and slashes, then switches back to your last weapon offers no advantage whatsoever over simply pressing your knife key and then attacking, if the script key is as close to the "switch to knife" key.
4: Communications binds are scripts, and they're very important for people who don't have microphones and still want to communicate effectively with their team.
5: Scripts allow you to customise your interface better to suit you. To mould it to your hand, so to speak. For example: in TFC, grenades are usually thrown by holding down the grenade key (to pull the pin) and then releasing it to throw; personally, I find it easier if I press one key to pull the pin and then press another key to throw. That's purely my preference, and it makes the game more comfortable for me. I can't do that without a script. In NS, I've got a script which lets me switch on single-attack; if I hold down the mouse button I'll only attack once. I use this when I skulk to force me to attack properly, instead of holding down the mouse and biting wildly.
6: Scripts can't do everything. A script can only perform one highly specific action. They can't adapt, and they aren't as flexible as doing things manually. They also require you to "learn" their specific controls (to digress a moment: when you move around in a FPS game using the arrow keys (or WASD) if you've been playing such games for long enough you don't have to think about what buttons to press to move - you press them automatically to achieve the desired effect. This is because your mind trains itself after long enough to use certain keys to do certain things. A script means you have to learn something else). Scripts such as the knife script often don't work under pressure - what if you make a mistake and press it twice? The delay in switching weapons repeatedly is more than if you just switched yourself, and some such scripts can become screwed.
To conclude, here's a more NS - specific example: a script by which every alien attack is bound to a different key (so that pressing a key will switch to that weapon and attack with it. The mouse1 button would probably correspond to the slot1 weapon).
*This script doesn't exploit any flaws in the game to give the user an unfair advantage.
*It requires you to retrain yourself to use it, since you don't switch weapons any more and don't use one button to attack. It requires you to rethink how you play.
*Players who use (or would like to use) such a script would do so because they find such an approach more natural and comfortable than the existing system.
*Players who do not use such a script are at no disadvantage. Such a script can't switch weapons any faster than a player already can.
*If the script is poorly implemented, it will leave its users worse-off than when they started.
Communication-Scripts are ok.
Scripts like "switch to leap, use leap, schwitch back to bite, use bite" are... let's say "ok" (i just don't like this "I COULD just practise this... but no, I'll just use that script"-Attitude).
Pistol-Scripts (aka "Instant-Death") are a no no... i consider this cheating.
-my2cent-
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I would of course say yes, because it gives its users unfair advantage over non-users.
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Yes, if places are meant to be dark, than they should be.
Don't be so f'ing lazy, it's supposed to be a game of skill.
These "It makes the game easier" arguments are /pathetic/, that's EXACTLY what cheats are!
* It is a troll.
* It is a flame thread.
* It doesn't apply to Natural-Selection in the slightest bit.
You can do the same but bind +moveleft to 'A' and +moveright to 'D'.
Your controls are sensible, easier and faster to use. This gives you an advantage over me. Are you a skillless newb relying on the 'crutch' of close strafe keys to make up for your obvious skill deficiency?
Why is binding a key to switch to a weapon any different to the above example?
When answering, keep in mind that the console, and the commands that make the weapon switching script possible are made available for everyone to use exactly as the key config screen is available for anyone. And the scripting language is so simple that an 8 year old could figure out how to create this script in a matter of minutes.
Weapon switching scripts are a means of configuration available to anyone, and are there for the sole purpose of making controls intutive. So that <b>everyone</b> can worry less about having to reach across the keyboard for a parasite button, and more about how best to aproach the marine for the purpose of taking their head off before they notice you.
Scripts such as this are mainly used by players who have their keys set up in such a way that performing the task in question is awkward. If i want to use cursors keys for my movement, a few scripts to handle weapon switching would compensate for my lack of nearby keys, and other players advantage of having their fingers next to the weapon numbers.
Could you please possibly send me that script? I have that problem as a skulk and it does me no good when I munch while desperately trying to circle strafe a target. A target who has run 3 metres away from me and neatly ends me as I hold down my fire button and bite blindly.
PS: If I didnt get my point across this will, He is the nubbiest nub that ever nubbed, you got it now?
Could you please possibly send me that script? I have that problem as a skulk and it does me no good when I munch while desperately trying to circle strafe a target. A target who has run 3 metres away from me and neatly ends me as I hold down my fire button and bite blindly. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
alias singlehit "+attack;wait;-attack"
bind mouse1 singlehit
i might have to try this... looks like a good way to stop that bad habit of bite spamming.
actually i already have a similar one that makes my mwheeldown do a single shot out of any gun, its great for supressive fire, i can use one clip of lmg and keep a skulk scared in a corner for like 50 seconds.
finally a guy who is completly right !!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
alias singlehit "+attack;wait;-attack"
bind mouse1 singlehit
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