Help With A Riddle

LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
edited May 2003 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">Anyone?</div> Ok, my friend's Uncle's an Ex-Cop and he was trained to solve these things or something. Well anyway, he told it to my friend, and it was past to me, we're stumped. Help?

There are two girls, Jane and Mary, and two guys, Tom and Bill. Tom dated Jane and Bill dated Mary. Mary and Jane were Sisters, and Tom and Bill didn't know each other. So they have a date. Tom and Bill showed up at their house and Tom rings the doorbell. The girls answer and Jane kills Tom. Mary and Bill were witnesses. The Cops were called and Jane gets Arrested. She had a trial and the Jury found her Guilty. But she was not Sentenced.

Why? That's what we need to Figure.

My answer was, "Drugs can't be sentenced." But it has NOTHING to do with drugs.

[EDIT]We can ask answered that can be answer in "Yes" or "No" only. Also, we're going to try to figure it out in 3 Days like his Uncle.[EDIT]
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  • SkinnYSkinnY Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7500Members
    no one testifyd (<-- tuff word for a dane ) ?
  • ArcadiusArcadius Join Date: 2003-04-14 Member: 15491Members
    Wow, that's a tough one. I don't think its "no one testified" because she was found guilty. I'd say something about Jane was a dog or something but Mary and Jane are sisters plus Tom was dating Jane which would be just plain sick if Jane was an animal <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> .

    Dangit, I'm gonna lose sleep over this one. You have to post the answer to this once you get it.
  • p4Samwisep4Samwise Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10831Members
    Testified.

    Was Jane ruled insane? Did the judge overturn the verdict or declare a mistrial or something?
  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    sleepwalking, things like that?
  • ConfuzorConfuzor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2412Awaiting Authorization
    edited May 2003
    The only thing I can come up with is that Jane is preadolescent, and therefore, is ruled by society to be unable to form criminal intent. So while she committed the action, she can't be punished.

    There are obvious flaws to this: If she is preadolescent, why would she be dating? If she is preadolescent, wouldn't this exclusively be a "trial by judge", and not involve the jury?

    Mixing up some Canadian law here, which is also being stretched...

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->sleepwalking, things like that? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Hmm... there was an actual case of this before shown on this forensic science series called Exhibit A; and it was undeniable that the man in that case killed his mother in law, but that was not the issue at hand. The issue was whether there intent (<i>mens rea</i>) was present. The sleepwalker had no intent, therefore, was ruled <b>not guilty</b>. Yet again, this is Canadian law, which I think should stay out of this case...
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    edited May 2003
    self-defense? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Tom tries to kill Mary, but after that he falls on a fork and dies.


    edit: a fork in Jane's hand
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    I don't know the answer, but surely old Bill has something to do with this equation...
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    ok she put some chili sauce on the spagetti, forgetting Tom is allergic to chili. In the haste, Mary calls the cops (not the ambulance) while Jane is trying to help Tom. When the Police arrived, Mary notices she called the wrong number and then there's the trial.

    You can't blame someone for putting chili sauce...
  • MerkabaMerkaba Digital Harmony Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 22Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester
    I do believe that the two girls are siamese twins, and so if one is found guilty of a crime she cannot be sentenced, since that would also punish her sister.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    wow is that true? man if you were siamese that could be so much abused like one going on such a rampage and ****
  • ThrakaThraka Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4227Members
    I was going to say that she got killed somewhere between being declared guilty but before getting sentenced... but now that Merkaba mentioned it, I think he's right on the money, as I seem to remember hearing this before. Don't recall why she killed him offhand...
  • BurrBurr Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9358Members
    edited May 2003
    its a conspiracy, a big cover up. There are forces at work here that none of you can comprehend!

    Youve been warned, I suggest you turn back now and forget this ever happens....

    *Disappears in a clould of smoke*
  • SaltySalty Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6970Members
    I like the conjointed-twin answer. Maybe Jane is a diplomat and has imunity.
  • AgentOrangeAgentOrange Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9244Members
    Okay, I'll take a stab at it. I noticed the word "Sisters" was capitalized. Perhaps they are nuns? Sister Mary sounds awful nunish to me.
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    i doubt the word sister was capitalized when he was told be his friend who was told by his dad, ya kno?

    so im gonna hve to go with conjoined twins, because they cant sentence you.... if they lethal inject one and the shared organs die and rot, well it would suck a lot.
  • airyKairyK Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11126Members
    i think you got it zel... that makes sense but really what would happen if a conjoined twin murdered someone? the other twin would be innocent... seriously what would happen? ............
  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    wouldn't the conjoined twin be an... "accessory"? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • AgentOrangeAgentOrange Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9244Members
    Yeah, you wouldn't be sentenced to death if you were a "conjoined twin" but you WOULD be an accessory at the least and you'd definatly go to some kind of jail.
  • SaltySalty Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6970Members
    I think it would be hard for a conjointed twin to kill somebody in the first place.
  • ConfuzorConfuzor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2412Awaiting Authorization
    A friend of mine just saw this and made a good obervation: "Kill" does not mean "murder", and in conjunction to the Siamese twin theory, seeing Jane could of been enough shock to kill him, so a sentence would not be fitting.

    Flaw: It says that they were dating before, which would suggest that they've met before. However, we do not know what form of dating occurred, (could of all been virtual dating).
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    That's easy. Mary was a Satanist and used the power of the dark lord to bring Tom back to life therefore rendering Jane not guilty since the victim was no longer dead.

    Ref. Shriler v. Adams (1105)

    Ref. Salem v. Pariris (1692)

    Ref. The People v O.J. Simpson (1995)

    Satan was clearly involved in all 3 above cases.
  • ArcadiusArcadius Join Date: 2003-04-14 Member: 15491Members
    *bump*
    Just want to make sure this survives since I want to know the answer. For whatever reason I doubt the siamese twins answer though its the best I've heard so far.
  • Silver_FoxSilver_Fox Spammer Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 34Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I think I've heard this one before ...

    I think it also has something to do with Jane not dirrectly killing Tom. like involentary man slaughter or something.

    I think I rememebr the key to the puzzle was the part where it says "The girls answer and Jane kills Tom." Its actualy rather vague ...
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Silver Fox+May 2 2003, 09:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ May 2 2003, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think I've heard this one before ...

    I think it also has something to do with Jane not dirrectly killing Tom. like involentary man slaughter or something.

    I think I rememebr the key to the puzzle was the part where it says "The girls answer and Jane kills Tom." Its actualy rather vague ... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's how I got it. I'm going to ask my friend to ask his Uncle with the "Reasonable" answers you guys have given.
  • EmptyEmpty Join Date: 2003-01-25 Member: 12701Members
    Yeah, what they said. About Jane not really killing Tom <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Heard it before too but don't remember it.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    "The girls answer and Jane kills Tom"

    Maybe they answered not to get in as they weren't really ready, but Tom breaks down the door, destroys the house and everything and Jane kills him.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    Weee! The Answer was Conjoined twins, I'm kinda mad at that answer, but whatever. Thanks!
  • roachemsroachems Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15148Members
    they lost the evidence!

    you know how bodies and blood just sometimes disappear
  • Brave_UlyssesBrave_Ulysses Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15922Members
    Even though we have an answer I would like to propose more - perhaps those girls answered by opening their house door. And perhaps Jane opened it so violently that it bashed Tom on is nose, broke it, pushed his ethmoid bone into his brain and killed him. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • kyliegirlkyliegirl Gorge Master Australia Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10586Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited May 2003
    maybe they were underaged. and may instead have been charged. it does not say that she wasnt charged.

    OR

    it was an accidental kill that the door flung open when jane opened it, hitting tom and knocking him back only to hit his head and instantly die. therefore it was an accident.

    she can still be charged guilty, but i dont know if your sentenced if it was an accident.

    because i remember cops that even if they kill someone, they still go to court for it to be judged out etc. they can be guilty or not, but wont be sentenced or charged....i think,,,
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