Reserve Slots And Other Issues.
Maveric
Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Members
Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Anoyances; Some suggestions to fix</div> You obviously care if you're reading this post, so i suggest you read it completly to see the complete view of your... guests. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> To start off, i've seen some bad things go down on servers, and good admins stop those horrific things. I thank you. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
However, more and more i've seen this part of the community "slip" away from justice to pure malice. I'll say it now; those bad behavior is inexcusable for <b>EVERYONE</b>, <i>not just</i> players.
General concerns of mine are that:
1- More servers are using slot reservation, making it more difficult for players to enter into a server that has the max amount of players in it. It's not fun to click on three servers only to find out they all have 1-4 (fists of ra) reserved slots. Making the server a odd number (ex, 21) should allow for even teams, and a slot for the admin. Four slots reserved are three slots other people could use; you only need one admin.
2- Bad admins and bad players. Big issue. Cant do much but not play on these servers or ban the bad players. (yes, i know. i dont play on/with them) If you can pressure those server admins or players to shape up or ship out; <b>DO IT</b>. You're making the community better if you do by not tolerating such things. Boycott the server if you have to.
3- Server modifications. I am in <b>NO WAY</b> bashing any server modification (voogru is fun, i admit.) except those that temp ban players with the name of "NSplayer" for five minutes. Again, ask and if necessary TELL the admins that its a bad thing to do to snuff away new players.
It doesn't make the community better when you exclude new-comers to Natural Selection; it only furthers to alienate them, making them belive that "OMG, this game community sucks!!1" and possibly make them mad enough to crash the server or do something nasty to make themselves banned from the server, so they never again join it; much to the expense of other players. No one likes having the server crash except the disgruntled player. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you have a mod like this, i IMPLORE you to completly halt use of it; shunning never helped anyone. Bar your teeth and <i>teach</i> the new player(s). Eventually she or he will stop asking questions and become a regular player if you <i>supported and stood up for</i> them. I'm sure you can do that, now, can you? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> (If every server taught, there would be no problem...)
4- Fun is always more important than winning. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Make this a rule. If even only one player is playing to win, no one's having fun on that team. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> People join for a good time; not for highly competitive play. Its not like there would be a open clan match on a public server, now, would there?
Take these points into account and we can all steer clear of another game like FireArms or Counter Strike is/was... (a boring "gotta win" motivation obsessed with scores (FA's skill system) and "leetness" (obvous who this is <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ))
PS: if you're reading this line i guess you read all my post. Go on. Post your opinion now. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
However, more and more i've seen this part of the community "slip" away from justice to pure malice. I'll say it now; those bad behavior is inexcusable for <b>EVERYONE</b>, <i>not just</i> players.
General concerns of mine are that:
1- More servers are using slot reservation, making it more difficult for players to enter into a server that has the max amount of players in it. It's not fun to click on three servers only to find out they all have 1-4 (fists of ra) reserved slots. Making the server a odd number (ex, 21) should allow for even teams, and a slot for the admin. Four slots reserved are three slots other people could use; you only need one admin.
2- Bad admins and bad players. Big issue. Cant do much but not play on these servers or ban the bad players. (yes, i know. i dont play on/with them) If you can pressure those server admins or players to shape up or ship out; <b>DO IT</b>. You're making the community better if you do by not tolerating such things. Boycott the server if you have to.
3- Server modifications. I am in <b>NO WAY</b> bashing any server modification (voogru is fun, i admit.) except those that temp ban players with the name of "NSplayer" for five minutes. Again, ask and if necessary TELL the admins that its a bad thing to do to snuff away new players.
It doesn't make the community better when you exclude new-comers to Natural Selection; it only furthers to alienate them, making them belive that "OMG, this game community sucks!!1" and possibly make them mad enough to crash the server or do something nasty to make themselves banned from the server, so they never again join it; much to the expense of other players. No one likes having the server crash except the disgruntled player. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you have a mod like this, i IMPLORE you to completly halt use of it; shunning never helped anyone. Bar your teeth and <i>teach</i> the new player(s). Eventually she or he will stop asking questions and become a regular player if you <i>supported and stood up for</i> them. I'm sure you can do that, now, can you? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> (If every server taught, there would be no problem...)
4- Fun is always more important than winning. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Make this a rule. If even only one player is playing to win, no one's having fun on that team. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> People join for a good time; not for highly competitive play. Its not like there would be a open clan match on a public server, now, would there?
Take these points into account and we can all steer clear of another game like FireArms or Counter Strike is/was... (a boring "gotta win" motivation obsessed with scores (FA's skill system) and "leetness" (obvous who this is <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ))
PS: if you're reading this line i guess you read all my post. Go on. Post your opinion now. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Comments
1. Never kick people out of the game to make room for a reserved slot. This happend to me once and I hate that server just for that reason. Really, it's extremely irritating to get kicked out for someone else.
2. Stupid voogru. I got banned from it for no reason and i'm not joking. I was on the alien team all game, i didn't do anything cheap, insult anyone, exploit, annoy anyone, in fact i barely talked. I played fair too. As soon as the game ended and we went to the ready room. My screen changes and says "You have been banned from this server permenantly". I have no respect for voogru now.
However, more and more i've seen this part of the community "slip" away from justice to pure malice. I'll say it now; those bad behavior is inexcusable for <b>EVERYONE</b>, <i>not just</i> players.
General concerns of mine are that:
1- More servers are using slot reservation, making it more difficult for players to enter into a server that has the max amount of players in it. It's not fun to click on three servers only to find out they all have 1-4 (fists of ra) reserved slots. Making the server a odd number (ex, 21) should allow for even teams, and a slot for the admin. Four slots reserved are three slots other people could use; you only need one admin.
2- Bad admins and bad players. Big issue. Cant do much but not play on these servers or ban the bad players. (yes, i know. i dont play on/with them) If you can pressure those server admins or players to shape up or ship out; <b>DO IT</b>. You're making the community better if you do by not tolerating such things. Boycott the server if you have to.
3- Server modifications. I am in <b>NO WAY</b> bashing any server modification (voogru is fun, i admit.) except those that temp ban players with the name of "NSplayer" for five minutes. Again, ask and if necessary TELL the admins that its a bad thing to do to snuff away new players.
It doesn't make the community better when you exclude new-comers to Natural Selection; it only furthers to alienate them, making them belive that "OMG, this game community sucks!!1" and possibly make them mad enough to crash the server or do something nasty to make themselves banned from the server, so they never again join it; much to the expense of other players. No one likes having the server crash except the disgruntled player. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you have a mod like this, i IMPLORE you to completly halt use of it; shunning never helped anyone. Bar your teeth and <i>teach</i> the new player(s). Eventually she or he will stop asking questions and become a regular player if you <i>supported and stood up for</i> them. I'm sure you can do that, now, can you? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> (If every server taught, there would be no problem...)
4- Fun is always more important than winning. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Make this a rule. If even only one player is playing to win, no one's having fun on that team. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> People join for a good time; not for highly competitive play. Its not like there would be a open clan match on a public server, now, would there?
Take these points into account and we can all steer clear of another game like FireArms or Counter Strike is/was... (a boring "gotta win" motivation obsessed with scores (FA's skill system) and "leetness" (obvous who this is <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ))
PS: if you're reading this line i guess you read all my post. Go on. Post your opinion now. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We do NOT use Admin Mod, and we have never temp banned any NSPlayer. The rest of your comments aren't worth responding to.
We have a lot of rules, if you don't follow the rules (they are displayed as you connect) then you will either be warned, kicked or banned. This is not bad admining, this is good admining. Why? Easy, the rules are setup to attract a specific minded player that the other players there like to play with. You want to run around using profanity do it on a server that allows that. Don't debate about the merits of freedom of speach, etc on a server or debate any other rule, eother play there or don't.
This is a general request of you server ops.
You dont have to follow them if you dont want to... and this is only really meant to give all of us a better community; and a better game in the process.
Following the rules of a server is danm near "Painfully obvious", and if you think i dont like the voogru servers or any of the other AdminMod things or such you are sorely mistaken! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
My complaint is only with certain server admins <i>and servers</i> who go against absolutly most or all their rules, certain AdminMod things like kicking new players (i've seen them) and servers with a HUGE amount of reserved slots or having a 24 player server having only 20 players 80% of the time because of the insane amount of reserved slots... Besides doesn't it only take one admin to make sure a server is in check? Clan games can always be played on private, passworded servers that have no affiliation with the public at any time... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Some servers sell reserved slots....i don't care what <i>they</i> do, i do what i want on my server. Requesting the community to do something (esp as old as CS and Adminmod), is just silly.
Not meaning to flame, but requesting this of us is just pointless as this topic has been beaten to death with an old stick. Its been around since Reserved slots were progammed into a MM plugin.
leave the horse alone, its dead!
1- [...]Making the server a odd number (ex, 21) should allow for even teams, and a slot for the admin. Four slots reserved are three slots other people could use; you only need one admin.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The slots are also for server regulars; VIPs who have earned priority over Joe Random Public.
Reserved slots are a way of life now. I suggest players stop whining and adapt. To users of The All-Seeing Eye, I recommend my <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=26371&hl=ase+filter&s=' target='_blank'>ASE filter</a>.
We have a lot of rules, if you don't follow the rules (they are displayed as you connect) then you will either be warned, kicked or banned. This is not bad admining, this is good admining. Why? Easy, the rules are setup to attract a specific minded player that the other players there like to play with. You want to run around using profanity do it on a server that allows that. Don't debate about the merits of freedom of speach, etc on a server or debate any other rule, eother play there or don't. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Could not have said it better myself. Bravo brutus.
Amen to that.
agreed
<u>kicked...</u>
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I totally agree with that Ulatoh. I love playing on a few servers that I play on regularly. If only I knew if it was a reserved slot or if it was open. I also follow the rules of the server that I am on.
No thanks, I will continue to run my server how I see fit, if it's all the same to you.