Onos From Start?

MEShootHere · April 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">What the..</div> Couldn't find it by a search...
I see a lot of little posts everywhere that say that the Onos will be available from the start in 1.1..
It seems that indeed the res model is getting redone, im just wondering if I just misread about the Onos thing or if its true.
Not trying to start a rumour:
WHAT I SAY IS MAYBE UNCONFIRMED, DONT FREAK! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Dadden · April 2003

The word on the street is....

when you got the cash(read res) you can get(read evolve into) anything u want

Nemesis_Zero · April 2003

That's the word on the street, yes.

Nothing has been confirmed up till now, so please don't speculate too much about it.

Pegenator · April 2003

Hive-camping skulk lameness is expected... Prepare for a rush, aliens.

UnderDOG · April 2003

this could make for some wierd games on servers that have the giveres plugin. The whole team gives res to one guy, and you got an onos 1 min into the game lol

murta · April 2003

I'm expecting Voogru to have to re-work alot of his mods when 1.1 is released (don't like all of them anyway, especially not the usable sieges, but that's probably 'cos they're new and take some getting used to)
However if you think about it, if you give all your res to an Onos, the gorge gets no res. The Onos can also only use 2 of it's powers and will be un-aided by movement, sensory and maybe even defense upgrades. A big fat Onos with no Primal Scream, adrenaline, carapace or whatever will go down pretty fast. As soon as you lose that Onos, you lose all the res you pooled and the game's probably screwed because the gorge is getting no overflow and has no res to defend anything <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Dadden · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnderDOG @ Apr 15 2003, 07:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> this could make for some wierd games on servers that have the giveres plugin. The whole team gives res to one guy, and you got an onos 1 min into the game lol  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Well yeah since the Kharaa economy is based on the fact that every alien has its own resources the plugin would pretty much screw up the game.

And since the boy got his answer NO MORE SPECULATING

over and out

MEShootHere · April 2003

Ah true..aside from the "ill wait 10min til get onos" tactic, indeed a bare onos isnt nearly as evil..hadn't thought of that!
So not all THAT bad...I'd be more concerned about the fade..(if onos gets in, so should fade).
i like it tho...wouldnt be unbalancing at all I think, getting 100 res at the start of a game is nigh impossible.
But once more, w0rd on str33ts, so hush! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

coil · April 2003

I'd suggest leaving aside all speculation on the alien resource system. It's pretty much nothing like 1.0x's. You still get resources from nodes. That's about all that's the same.

Redford · April 2003

if you'll look in the new screenshots, you'll see flayra commenting on the "hordes of onni" that the playtesters have been seeing. Thusly, I think it's safe to say you get Onos from one hive. However, this may very well change before 1.1 is released, so don't go around yelling that 1.1 will have all aliens from the first hive. The current BETA BUILD of 1.1 has all aliens from one hive, but that could very well be gone allready.

Cantide · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (murta @ Apr 15 2003, 07:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> As soon as you lose that Onos, you lose all the res you pooled and the game's probably screwed because the gorge is getting no overflow and has no res to defend anything.
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So are they changing the alien res model? Because if every alien has the capacity for 100 res at the beginning of the game, it's going to take three times longer to hit the cap where it sends all the excess resources to the gorge. (ie, everyone has 33/33 resources, so the fatty is getting hooked up with tons of res) That would give the marines an even bigger advantage than they already have.

murta · April 2003

Ah that's a good point, but who knows what the new resource model will be like, maybe it will be kill based?

Ph0enix · April 2003

Theres actually a really really simple way of changing the res system that would work and also fulfill the multiple gorges comment.

But I want mention/suggest/speculate cos coil said not to.

Bah <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

MEShootHere · April 2003

Oh geez, all I tried to do was find out if it was just me or if indeed there had been talk of 1 hive evolving..
Lets all shuttup and just lock this silly speculation topic!

Young_Trotsky · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cantide @ Apr 15 2003, 07:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
So are they changing the alien res model? Because if every alien has the capacity for 100 res at the beginning of the game, it's going to take three times longer to hit the cap where it sends all the excess resources to the gorge. (ie, everyone has 33/33 resources, so the fatty is getting hooked up with tons of res) That would give the marines an even bigger advantage than they already have.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
If they're changing the alien resource model what makes you think excess res will still go to the gorge?

Pegenator · April 2003

Gorges need the most res, so the natural thing to do is to allocate the excess res to the gorgs... D0h

Jabba_The_Hunt · April 2003

I think all the NS team are trying to do, by opening up the alien evolutions early on, is reduce their depenancy on hives, now we should get ONI vs HA battles, and fades using blink more. This is going to rock.

BarxBaron · April 2003

an ONI vs HA is pretty much like a HA vs a skulk.........

the 2 sides are in no way equal, but at least when a skulk goes vs a HA the HA is slow and hitable, while the onos runs 300mph <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'>

.....just wanted to get that offa' my chest <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

coil · April 2003

What makes you think there's still overflow? Or a need for it?

To quote Weird Al: Everything You Know Is Wrong.

The system's getting overhauled. It's quite different now, and will change more before 1.1 releases. Therefore, most of your worries are not only unfounded... they're not even applicable.

BarxBaron · April 2003

the res model is prolly what I most look forward too

........but currently its kinda fun dropping n00b gorges from high up when they are asked not to be gorge and don't listen (lerk lift mod! w00t <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> )

LucidReality · April 2003

But wouldnt onos or even fade at beginnin cause sever imbalances? if it were me, id jsut hang on for 54 res or wutever fadse costs now, snd get fade then acid rocket them. ive played as fade before without adren and its not so hard.

I just think the rines are gonna need something drastic to counter the imbalance this causes. like they al come equipped with hmgs or something.

i mean, if i were sending troops out to secure a place or retake it, id give them all the best equipment i could ..wouldnt you?

abtm · April 2003

There is no confirmation nor is there any leads to speculate that onos will be available from the start. I see no need for that as well, because it would totally overpower a marine base and flip marines from being the "start off" team for new players to the aliens.

Silver_Fox · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Lucid_Reality- @ Apr 15 2003, 10:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> if it were me, id jsut hang on for 54 res or wutever fadse costs now, snd get fade then acid rocket them. ive played as fade before without adren and its not so hard.
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see ... you guys should really stop assuming that the aliens are going to play exactly like they did in 1.0x ...

abtm · April 2003

When you assume, you make an **** out of u and me so please don't assume <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

Supernorn · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Apr 15 2003, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Lucid_Reality- @ Apr 15 2003, 10:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> if it were me, id jsut hang on for 54 res or wutever fadse costs now, snd get fade then acid rocket them. ive played as fade before without adren and its not so hard.
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see ... you guys should really stop assuming that the aliens are going to play exactly like they did in 1.0x ...  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
sorry Silver-fox, but i doubt its likely to change unless you spill the beans and stop teasing <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Infected_Marine · April 2003

Why is speculating taboo, did the rules change? I am not speculating, assuming, or anything else like that for Coil's benifit, but I am confused. All people did when I lurked these forums was speculate and suggest.

Things have really changed around here.

Dadden · April 2003

OHHH for the love of god all these damn speculaters should be slapped with raw bacon. And coil i think you should tell me and me only how the new resource system works.

You know what they always say up north: If there is anything you can trust, It's TEH BACON.

Infected_Marine · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dadden @ Apr 15 2003, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>OHHH for the love of god all these damn speculaters should be slapped with raw bacon. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
But non-speculation is A-Typical of these forums, it only started to decline in October of last year.

PS:</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
And coil i think you should tell me and me only how the new resource system works.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Kenichi · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Apr 15 2003, 09:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What makes you think there's still overflow? Or a need for it?

To quote Weird Al: Everything You Know Is Wrong.

The system's getting overhauled. It's quite different now, and will change more before 1.1 releases. Therefore, most of your worries are not only unfounded... they're not even applicable.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Thank you coil, thank you. I don't know why they don't grasp this concept yet.

Xzilen · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cantide @ Apr 15 2003, 07:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (murta @ Apr 15 2003, 07:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> As soon as you lose that Onos, you lose all the res you pooled and the game's probably screwed because the gorge is getting no overflow and has no res to defend anything.
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So are they changing the alien res model? Because if every alien has the capacity for 100 res at the beginning of the game, it's going to take three times longer to hit the cap where it sends all the excess resources to the gorge. (ie, everyone has 33/33 resources, so the fatty is getting hooked up with tons of res) That would give the marines an even bigger advantage than they already have.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Exactly my fear. I've been shot down for having this fear because we should have faith in the redev of the resource system... *Sighs* But I just don't know. I'm worried :-\ Sorry

AutumnTwilight · April 2003

The problem seems to occur when people grasp onto one aspect of the change and then assume everything else is the same. You know, the ol' "Aliens get 100 resources max? Then Gorges will never be able to afford to build anything!!1" Umm, I think Flayra might have considered that possibility.

As others have said, have a little faith in the developers, eh?

They know what they doing... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

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