Objective Journalism?

MelatoninMelatonin Babbler Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14551Members, Constellation
edited April 2003 in Discussions
<div class="IPBDescription">the system sucks</div> <a href='http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/30008.html' target='_blank'>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/30008.html</a>

this journalist was suspended from work for expressing an opinion on his day off!
now you cant tell me that we have objective coverage of events when journalist are so blatantly owned by 'the system' in such a way!
i mean, hes a writer for a computer magazine!

i think this points at the way that, ultimately 'independant writers' in our medias are only as independant as the people who own the companies that run their network/ paper/ website.

.. discuss!

Comments

  • SovietDictatorSovietDictator Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12461Members
    Well, in some professions, and some businesses require some/all employees to be PC all the time, you can't/shouldn't express certain views. Myabe the Hearst Coporation or the newspaper company doesn't want their employees to particapte in certain events. I believe in some cases they can legally do that, but in this case I'm not sure.
  • SpoogeSpooge Thunderbolt missile in your cheerios Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 67Members
    edited April 2003
    The writer of that article is yet another example of fools who don't understand what "Free Speech" actually means. Furthermore, the company that owns that newspaper IS NOT a democracy. The author skims right passed the reason why this guy got arrested in the first place. It wasn't for standing on a corner with a sign, I assure you. If this guy wasn't aware that not showing up for work on time might get him fired, it's his own fault. "But he was in jail! wwaaaa wwaaa wwaaa!". "Really? Well we'll just give him a raise!". The entire premise of this article is flawed. The author didn't bother to ask the owners of the company wether the man would have been fired if he hadn't been arrested and showed up for work on time.

    I'll be sure to place this story in the high priority section of my circular file cabinet.


    Edit: Here's a story from the opposite direction- <a href='http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/opinion/11JORD.html?ex=1050638400&en=ea21e8c88feae21c&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE' target='_blank'>The News We Kept To Ourselves</a>

    What kind of end does this entire network face for NOT speaking out?
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited April 2003
    Jesus H Christ, what a horrible series of stories from the Times....

    Agreed. It's incredibly improbable that he was suspended for his views - after all, if I get fired for saying I'm a communist, I can sue for millions and win easily on any one of hundreds of anti-discrimination laws. However, if I don't show to work because I was arrested, I am without cause to complain. And trust me as a former California resident: no one gets arrested at a protest rally in San Francisco unless they really get out of hand, and do something like take a swing at a cop. Otherwise the whole damned city would be behind bars...

    I suspect we are not hearing the whole story from either party, and likely never will. Not that it matters in the grand scheme...

    (And I would point out that the whole thing is fabricated, as he is described as a technical columnist and yet does Macintosh work <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> )
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Free Speech may be a defensive right, but journalists are a slightly different matter. They're supposed to 'control' the government by informing about it - forbidding them their mouth would be a <i>very</i> dubious thing, it's their <i>job</i> to tell you their (sophisticated) opinion, after all. That's of course only the theory, whether it applies to this case or not is altogether a different matter.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    After all, if he's the only guy working on a San Francisco newspaper with liberal views and an anti-war attitude, I'll eat Nemesis' hat. He's just the only one getting chucked into county jail, and I'm guessing it was the last straw from abunch of unreported issues...
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Yes. That's why I wrote that last sentence, you know?
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I was making sure there was no doubt in anyone's mind that you had crumbled under my keen intellect...

    Or something.
  • SpoogeSpooge Thunderbolt missile in your cheerios Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 67Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Apr 11 2003, 12:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Apr 11 2003, 12:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Free Speech may be a defensive right, but journalists are a slightly different matter. They're supposed to 'control' the government by informing about it - forbidding them their mouth would be a <i>very</i> dubious thing, it's their <i>job</i> to tell you their (sophisticated) opinion, after all. That's of course only the theory, whether it applies to this case or not is altogether a different matter. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I agree. Normally I would do that silently (so as to conserve my post count <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ) but this time I wanted to go on record. Just to be clear (not that you didn't already know this) the point of my post was that "theory of journalism" doesn't apply to this case. Specifically because the writer of the article implied that the man was fired for his beliefs and not jailed because of them.
  • ImmacolataImmacolata Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2140Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Apr 11 2003, 07:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Apr 11 2003, 07:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Free Speech may be a defensive right, but journalists are a slightly different matter. They're supposed to 'control' the government by informing about it - forbidding them their mouth would be a <i>very</i> dubious thing, it's their <i>job</i> to tell you their (sophisticated) opinion, after all. That's of course only the theory, whether it applies to this case or not is altogether a different matter. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think we would all be a lot better off if we stop expecting journalists to be our Crusaders, our Saviours and Watch Dogs of the Government. Let's look at the media economy. In USA almost all media is commercially run. Thus each and every journalist, editor etc. are working to satisfy not only their readers, but certainly also their advertisers. Or owners in case your paper/tv station is owned by some pigolopy or William Hearst kind of guy.

    Newspapers sell their copies at a heavily subsidised price, due to their large advertising income. That makes them susceptible to the whims and wishes of the advertisers. Run a too critical article on some industry conglomerate and they will withdraw their financial contributions to your operation. You also tend to get more "easily digestable" reporting in news papers. Wonder why they run all these life style sections and articles in the saturday newspaper? Because someone advertising for a super expensive designer B&O system feel much more happy if their full page colour ad appears next to an article about modern home style. Not a grim article about the starving people in a forlorn 3rd world country.

    It goes a long way. There is one positive thing I can claim that my country's media landscape has: both commercially driven privately owned media AND publicly financed media. Then we get reporting from at least to biases, the bias of capitalisms realities, and the bias of not alienating the ruling party in the country. Our publicly financed media can go further in criticism of private corporations, whereas commercia media can critizice the government relentlessly without it has serious repercussions.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Ehhh, many countries have that. In the US it's <a href='http://www.npr.org/' target='_blank'>NPR</a>. in Germany it's something else (help me out Nem). You can usually find non-commerical outlets...
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited April 2003
    The German ones would be <a href='http://www.ard.de/' target='_blank'>ARD</a> and <a href='http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/0/0,1872,1000000,00.html' target='_blank'>ZDF</a>, of which at least the first is considered an excellent newssource.

    Getting back into theory, however, Imma writes:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Our publicly financed media can go further in criticism of private corporations, whereas commercia media can critizice the government relentlessly without it has serious repercussions. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This nice 'checks & balances' situation is only possible if private economy and government are strictly divided. Given one has influence over the other - and may I remind you that we established some threads ago that all western governments were more or less bought - the interests intermingle, and we're suddenly in a situation in which none of the two medias is efficient anymore - which gives only one more reason to defend the rights of the individual journalist because only her/his 'nonconformity' can lead to honest information.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Yeah. I'm not sure how it goes in Deutchland, but NPR is funded about 90% through public donations and trust funds. Even though the remaining 10% is government funded, it enjoys the reputation of being perhaps the most liberal large-market reporting company in the US.
  • SpceM0nkeySpceM0nkey Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12480Members
    Objectivity is impossible.

    For some reason this impossibility is strengthened when the media is involved.

    There is no such thing as objective media.

    A big reason is commercialism.

    Particularly the American media seeks more to entertain than inform (a gross generalisation.)
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Space, can you not resurrect dead discussions unless you've got something new to say. Please? Thanks.
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