Ns_veil
KungFuSquirrel
Basher of Muttons Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Basher of Muttons Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
<div class="IPBDescription">Taking final layout suggestions</div> Beta5:
Green marks additions/replacements of hives (all have been deleted from previous version(s)
Red marks new/rebuilt routes
purple marks available continuous routes (the one that looks like a dead-end actually overlooks the area below it, a feature lost in the 2D image)
yellow marks resource nozzles
Vents not currently marked - not fully implemented
Issues noted already:
Resource imbalance - need another nozzle towards the middle right and perhaps south center.
Map is not this bright - ran the env_gamma correction twice for added clarity of the layout.
<img src='http://planethalflife.com/awmaps/pics/veil_possible_final.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
I'm down to crunch time. Look reasonable? Any other suggestions to offer?
Green marks additions/replacements of hives (all have been deleted from previous version(s)
Red marks new/rebuilt routes
purple marks available continuous routes (the one that looks like a dead-end actually overlooks the area below it, a feature lost in the 2D image)
yellow marks resource nozzles
Vents not currently marked - not fully implemented
Issues noted already:
Resource imbalance - need another nozzle towards the middle right and perhaps south center.
Map is not this bright - ran the env_gamma correction twice for added clarity of the layout.
<img src='http://planethalflife.com/awmaps/pics/veil_possible_final.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
I'm down to crunch time. Look reasonable? Any other suggestions to offer?
Comments
also, how did you make your overview, dev_overview 1?
Make the routes go more "up" before going to the hives.
If you want to make direct access, make them with vents.
bottom left hive - moved and reconnected to give a less direct route to other hives
Botom Right - new res
Middle - New route... something i think was missing
again, theses are just suggestions... and since i don't know where MS is... i'm kidna lost ATM
KFS, I like how you are preventing "sneaky sieges" with the hives like that.
Very nice overall! But you aren't posting this to hear that so...
My suggestion is this. That bottom right hive looks hella easy to get to for the marines. If aliens start at bottom left corner, I would think the first place they should rush is that corner or marines have one hive guaranteed. Maybe making the "top" entrance a weldable to the bottom right hive would slow this? Not sure. I suppose that's something you could only really find out in PTing though. I am curious as to how that will work out. And I agree with Roz as well. That would be a good kind of res location.
Please turn the whole maps arouncd 180° !!!
this makes commands like "right way" and "left hive" easyer.
The upper left rez-node room seems kind of.. unneccessary imo. It seems to give the marines basically three easy nodes (their own, and top left and right), and it doesn't look like a high-traffic exciting area in itself.. granted we can't see the vents, but I'm just going by the info available atm <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Other than that it looks pretty solid. Definitely same "type" of layout as Eclipse, that sort of theme-sharing is going to be pretty neat.
Has the layout been playtested, or pure theory so far?
Please turn the whole maps arouncd 180° !!!
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North, South, East, West. North is marine spawn, South, southeast, and southwest are all hives. I've been through this debate with one other person, and it stays as it is.
Fantasmo: That'll happen about anywhere. Somewhere there's going to be overlap between the marine spawn nozzle and another one. There's a vent directly linking those two rooms (from the right of the elevated platform in the octagonal room, lost in the 2d perspective, to the area just above the marine nozzle). What you say is possible, but the octagonal room is large enough that I don't think it'll be too much of a problem. I imagine that even a half-skilled skulk or lerk could drop down to that vent I mentioned and tear up the tfac in the marine spawn area - the nozzle and the tfac itself may even provide additional cover. Pulling off that strategy will still, regardless, require moving marines into that room, and aliens may even be able to fully prevent that in the first place with a forceful push to secure that area from the southeast hive. That's even if the tfac gives enough range, which I can't remember off-hand. I'll take a look. Of course, that may also be subject to change in 1.1.
gaggle: The rough layout has been tested, and gave some exciting long games. However, that was still when much of the map was symmetrical. Despite the new changes, the same -base- layout applies, just with more variation implemented. Looking back at the layout, I'd actually have to say that the southeast (lower right) and south (bottom) hives would be almost identical travel time, with the long route being to the southwest hive, something I'm working on slightly shortening. Also, when I get the other nozzles added there should hopefully be a balance of nozzles on the marine and alien halves of the map to control - as well as additional vents to offset any overdone advantages.
In NS_eclipse, near the triad, that ladder adds a lot to the dynamic of the room and it's easy for the marines to take it back with GLs and what not.
In Station Access Alpha, it makes it possible for the lerks to fire it's spikes from afar and take it out.
And in Maintenance hive, it makes the aliens have to go up the ladder to stop any incoming marines.
I do hope you've planned to make many subtle changes in elevations in key parts of the map.
(Blame KFS for htis)
(Blame KFS for htis) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
HUH???
You totally lost me dude <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->