Who's Your Daddy?
Cowswin
Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14623Banned, Constellation
Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14623Banned, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Which chamber will be the "best"?</div> Which chamber first now?
D towers?
Sensory?
Movement?
Which do you think will be the "ruling" first chamber? Do you think there WILL be a ruling first chamber? Or that they will now be sufficiently balanced so that any one of them can be usefull? My personal opinion is that movements might now be the first ruling class in that they can offer gorge rushes, get adrenaline, sit near movement chamber and spam gorge heal, no gorges die and one gorge goes off on his own and builds the whole map up...
What do you all think?
D towers?
Sensory?
Movement?
Which do you think will be the "ruling" first chamber? Do you think there WILL be a ruling first chamber? Or that they will now be sufficiently balanced so that any one of them can be usefull? My personal opinion is that movements might now be the first ruling class in that they can offer gorge rushes, get adrenaline, sit near movement chamber and spam gorge heal, no gorges die and one gorge goes off on his own and builds the whole map up...
What do you all think?
Comments
Gorges aren't supposed to fight in packs. If there are too many gorges they don't gather ressources fast enough to build anything... and skilled marines can kill a bunch of them even when they spam spray. If marines charge together it's GG.
Movements can be usefull when skulks use Silence to rush and harass marines , effectively scaring them often.
So far almost every match on pubs sees DCs first. Carapace is needed against LPBs... however , it's not necessary on certain maps where you can sneak and hide easily , like Tanith.
I like this map because it promotes psychological strategies and general teamwork... many ambush and control points. I'd say it's a Kharaa map though <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Sensory chamber first is an effective option , mostly against noobs... when you stand over the marine base entrances you can easily para marines , but not always kill them (they either see you or hear you drop on the floor)
Mines quickly prevent you from invading the marine base once they successfully repel rushing skulks.
That's where the Cloak ability becomes handy... marines are <i>forced</i> to go through 2 corridors after starting room , then can take 3 different paths (I think)
Sure they will check for ambushing skulks after a while. Buf if you stand perfectly cloaked <b>right in the way</b> you will always surprise them. Repeat this a few times , hire a few skulk mates to harass them and this will completely terrorize them. Unless they are very well organized (with one marine randomly firing on corridors) this allows VERY EASY kills... run at choke point , sit down , eat marine , go elsewhere , sit down. This ability seems way more powerfull than carapace to kill rambos.
Oh , and Kharaa can share Scent of Fear hivesight too. One parasiting skulk can greatly increase other's chances.
Not sure about the enhanced hivesight , have to check its effects.
Sensory first = win.
anyway... I myself would do the cloaked WOL
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-Marine: come on guys, their hive is empty!
-*Marines march in, guns blazing <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> , then suddenly... Blam! Blam!*
-Aliens: suckers.
-*skulks run after the marines that managed to escape* <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo-->
But I suppose that could only work so many times before the marines figure out what's going on. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'd love to see sensory or movement first as a commonplace thing, but who knows.
also i think it would add alot to the game if the marines didnt excpect a certain order of upgrades, making for much more unpredictable games.
im not convinced about the movement tho, static adrenaline just doesnt do anything for me, tho ill have to see how it plays really....
i played a fantastic game on hera with sensory first, and it's just an incredible amount of fun. the dark, dark, dark winding hallway from marine start to maintenence is my favorite place to cling to the ceiling, there's nothing to get in the way and handy pipes to hide above. i can cling and shoot parasites into their base. with cloaking in 1.04, i can shoot a parasite and cloak again nearly instantly.
and a marine goes out to explore. shoots the floor, shoots the walls, turns on his flashlight and slowly... creeps... down the ramp from his start. once they know you have cloaking, they really do slow down and try to look everywhere. even with his flashlight, he walked.. rather he very very slowly walked past me and i bit his head off.
later, in the marine's second or third attempt to control processing, i was a fade chasing an annoying jetpacker. they had a little phase base on the 'second' level of processing, near holo, just under the corridor that runs into the upper level of holoroom. i parked myself to watch this phase base, and sure enough the jetpacker landed for a moment at the little phase base, with a comrade and a couple of turrets for cover. four acid rocket volleys, perfectly aimed, at medium range, was all it took. the light machine gunner standing guard next to him never saw me until he fell.
different strategies, different structures, different tools for different tasks, but cloaked aliens are just too much fun.
from what ive read in the suggestions and ideas forums (which i goto most)
you will be able to have all 3 upgrades at hive 1 but only at lvl 1.
or theres an idea where you can have just 1 chamber type per hive (like now) but can choose multiple upgrades such as lvl1 carapace and lvl 2 regen or any combination of the 3.
if there is only 1 type of chamber per hive ho i sitll beleive DCs mwill be the superior for healling and defenses. also unless they change cloaking back to 100% then WoLs will be easy to spot "hmm whats that huge semi transparant thing 20 foot away from me".
if sensorys made structures 100 % cloaked then i aggree sensroys could be very powerfull and i would use them my self (as i love cloaking) but if not then i couldnt see experienced players running into these semi-cloaked WoLs more then once of twice.
Think about it, hive two play right now is all about the Fades. The unlimited energy that MCs can now provide pretty much cements them in as a second hive chamber. And do you think that the majority of players are going to be willing to play Fades which can be taken down by a couple marines because of a lack of Carapace?
Too much addiction to the style of play that Carapace provides. You want to knock DCs out of first spot you're going to have to do something about that ability.
anyway like i said, flayra is doing or is thinking of making it so you can make all 3 types of chambers at any time but need extra hives for lvl 1, 2 and 3.
from what ive read in the suggestions and ideas forums (which i goto most)
you will be able to have all 3 upgrades at hive 1 but only at lvl 1.
or theres an idea where you can have just 1 chamber type per hive (like now) but can choose multiple upgrades such as lvl1 carapace and lvl 2 regen or any combination of the 3.
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ouch. all the more reason to use dcs. lvl 2 carapace and lvl 1 redemtion. omg haxorz. lvl 2 cara is almost identicle to 3 anyways. lvl 2 regen and lvl 1 redem = fade that cant die. lvl 2 cara lvl 1 regen = very irritating lerk. nope i dun think it will be fair.
marines are very strong as they dont have to rely on getting a hive up before they can start getting powerful weaps
"i hope some marines don't come round the corner" i said
as i said it 2 marines ran round the corner and into me
"oh crap i thought"
ha they were n00b mariners and they just stood there trying to jump past untill all of a sudden in a happy explosion of blood and marine legs...................
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Even then, my money's on DCs. Healing is just too powerful an upgrade to pass up (especially with MCs not affecting OCs).
I'm thinking (on pubs at least) we're stuck with our old friend D->M->S.
A fade, with carapace and adrenaline, standing in the middle of 3 MCs and 3 DCs, will probably make a highly effective spam turret.
But I'm just going to wait and see what more developments occure first. Some of the suggestions I've read in the S&I forum have provided things that would make me switch to Sens first, and those were submitted to Flayra in the official 1.1 suggestion thread.... so you never know. We haven't been told everything, I bet.
However, I have NO doubt that sensory chambers will prove useful in clan matches and LAN. Although it may prove to be risky, I'm sure we'll see some interesting 1st hive sensory strategies. For instance, I can already imagine gorges building on the otherside of the weldable door to the marine base on hera. Slowly, skulks sneak into to the marine base by way of the vent and wait for all the marines to leave. As soon as they do, 10 skulks come out from cloaking and chomp away the marine IPs in two seconds flat.
I've already discussed such strategies on LAN games.
D towers?
Sensory?
Movement?
Which do you think will be the "ruling" first chamber? Do you think there WILL be a ruling first chamber? Or that they will now be sufficiently balanced so that any one of them can be usefull? My personal opinion is that movements might now be the first ruling class in that they can offer gorge rushes, get adrenaline, sit near movement chamber and spam gorge heal, no gorges die and one gorge goes off on his own and builds the whole map up...
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Depending on how they tweak marines... But!! i would think dc's r still the 1st chamber...