Umbra!

JuLie_ThE_BoonDoCk_SAinT · March 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">a question :o</div> when i use the umbra, do i have to be in it or behind it to be effective?
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someoneElse · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JuLie ThE BoonDoCk SAinT @ Mar 21 2003, 09:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> when i use the umbra, do i have to be in it or behind it to be effective?
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
You have to be in the cloud to get it's protective bonus.

If you are standing in an active cloud, you will see a little message at the bottom of your screen saying something about the Umbra Cloud. The actual protective effect sometimes lasts longer than the Umbra cloud graphical effect itself.

By the way, loved Boondock Saints...<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

INeedAName · March 2003

You know you're in umbra when a message at the bottom of the screen reads "In Umbra." Make sure to spray more umbra before the last one runs out.

DumbMarine · March 2003

Note: Even marines can be in umbra (like it matters)

Black_Ops_Lerk_Master · March 2003

It does matter! If you umbra a marine or a turret when they shoot the umbra still takes effect.

Well, im pretty sure it does, but when you umbra you should be in there biting anyway

Paq · March 2003

But if marine runs in umbra with his knife/welder out umbra doesn't protect you against those attacks.
It doesn't protect you from grenades either.

TheWizard · March 2003

Umbra for marines can be important when friendly fire is concerned. I dont think I need to elaborate.

Bogglesteinsky · March 2003

for umbra, all you hve to make sure is that the path of the bullets to you goes through the umbra
you can either be in the umbra:

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> -----------------> ::||(YOU)||::
Marine````Bullets``````Umbra

= <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> - <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>, <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> - <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

or behind it

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> -----------------> ::||::::::::||:: (YOU)
Marine````Bullets```````Umbra

= <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> - <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>, <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> - <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

This, will not work

::||::::::::||:: (YOU) <--------------- <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> (sorry it faces the wrong way)
``Umbra```````````Bullets````Marine

= <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> - <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>, <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> - <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

<b>NOTE</b>: Nice picture, but this isn't quite right. Umbra ONLY protects players inside it. It will not block or slow bullets that pass through it that then hit a player outside of the umbra.

Rikimaru0 · March 2003

i like your graphical representation <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Ph0enix · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rikimaru0 @ Mar 24 2003, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i like your graphical representation <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Yes. Its also wrong. You have to be <b>in</b> the umbra cloud to get it's cover. You will see a message at the bottom of the screen saying 'in umbra'.

Standing behind it will get you killed <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

BeRzErKeR · March 2003

I think they should change it so that you dont have to be <i>in</i> the cloud for it to be of any use. It'd be a lot more viable for escaping that way.

SoulSkorpion · March 2003

Actually, you CANNOT be behind an umbra cloud and take cover from it. You have to be inside it. In other words, if you umbra half way down a corridor and fly to one end, if someone shoots at you from the other side, with the shots flying through the cloud, you take full damage. The only situation you get the benefit of umbra from is when it says "in umbra" at the bottom of the screen.

Bogglesteinsky · March 2003

WTH???

that doesnt make any sense

umbra blocks bullets yes?

so where do the bullets come from if you take full damage behind the umbra?

hmm?

Ph0enix · March 2003

Suspension of disbelief. Umbra would be too powerful if it blocked any shots passing thru it. I'm sure someone can come up with a fluff reason why.

Dread · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-_Phoenix_- @ Mar 25 2003, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Suspension of disbelief. Umbra would be too powerful if it blocked any shot spassing thru it. I'm sure someone can come up with a fluff reason why.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
It could be balanced but its probably just too hard to code.

Bogglesteinsky · March 2003

ok. it doesnt block every bullet, but surely, standing behind a concrete bunker is just as effective as standing in a concrete bunker?

Ph0enix · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (z.x. bogglestiensky @ Mar 25 2003, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ok. it doesnt block every bullet, but surely, standing behind a concrete bunker is just as effective as standing in a concrete bunker? </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Dreads hit on the other reason. Its far easier to code it the way it is now then the way you propose.

joev · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (z.x. bogglestiensky @ Mar 25 2003, 02:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> WTH???

that doesnt make any sense

umbra blocks bullets yes?

so where do the bullets come from if you take full damage behind the umbra?

hmm?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Umbra doesn't 'block' bullets... The nano-bac in the Umbra cloud latch onto Kharaa skin forming a short lived (and not entirely perfect) reflec armour layer.

If you're not in the umbra cloud, then it's not forming that layer.

There you go. Makes perfect sense to me <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

joev.

ZdrozZ · March 2003

you always find an explaination for things you cant code <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Rikimaru0 · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Standing behind it will get you killed <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

tnx for the tip <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

SoulSkorpion · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (*Dread* @ Mar 25 2003, 07:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-_Phoenix_- @ Mar 25 2003, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Suspension of disbelief. Umbra would be too powerful if it blocked any shot spassing thru it. I'm sure someone can come up with a fluff reason why. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
It could be balanced but its probably just too hard to code.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I really don't think this one's that hard to code, and I seem to remember reading somewhere that this is a balance issue. Think about it - it IS a balance issue. It's not balanced to be able to block a passageway with umbra for the benefit of fades at the other end.

And yes, standing inside a concrete bunker is the same as behind it, but this is a game, and in this game gameplay takes precedence over realism (thank god).

Umbra!

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