Is Getting Rid Of The First Person Muzzle Flash..

RPGreg2600RPGreg2600 Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14578Members
edited March 2003 in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">cheating?</div> When I play with that damn muzzle flash I get all disoriented and just start spraying everywhere because the muzzle flash blocks my view of what I'm shooting at. I mad a new sprite that is just a transparency so their's no flash. Is this cheap or is it ok?

Also, does anyone know why there are 3 muzzle flash sprites that look the same? I just made 'em all transparent, is tehre a diferent one for third person muzzle flashes or something?
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  • Jon_VincibleJon_Vincible Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5804Members
    Getting rid of the muzzle flash is like using r_drawmodel to get rid of the skulk teeth. The muzzle flash is meant to disorient you a bit. Instead of just getting rid of it, trying using burst fire. Unlike cs, the bursting in ns is simply to check out where your target has moved to. You'll kill alot more skulks if you burst.
  • Frogg2Frogg2 Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4867Members, Constellation
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    I'd have to say that's cheating.
  • FireStormFireStorm Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7390Members
    I wouldn't say it's cheating, but it's unfair...
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    Yes, it is unfair.
    people have said that the lower your resolution is, the bigger the flash. Try increasing your resolution and see if it makes things better.
  • Frogg2Frogg2 Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4867Members, Constellation
    Thats completely untrue the resolution does NOT affect the size of the muzzle flash.
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    well, ive certainly heard people mentioning this..but hey, my bad if its untrue...
  • Frogg2Frogg2 Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4867Members, Constellation
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  • MoDMoD Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7885Members
    isnt playing in 1600*1200 alredy counted as cheats? :>
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    thats cheating, becuase I still have to deal with those big teeth, but that still doesn't mean I can remove them, becuase thats situational ethics, and even though it's better it's still wrong
  • FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment San Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    This is addressed in 1.1. The MG now has a much smaller muzzle flash (the skulk bite is faster also). In tournaments or clan play, changing the game in any way beyond using the options in the UI is considered an exploit.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This is addressed in 1.1. The MG now has a much smaller muzzle flash (the skulk bite is faster also). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Horray for this, but a quick question: has the speed of the skulk-bite actually been increased or just the animation? I'm hoping just the animation...
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    But if we have dev type attention atm, will the Muzzle flash be a change in sprite, or just smaller?

    And will there be any way to accomodate the 'losing' people that using the skulk bite results in? It's not the teeth that cause me any hassle, it's the knockback COMBINED with the teeth, especially when the marine is in the air. On the floor, no biggie, but in the air most marines can FLY across corridors.
  • DizzyOneDizzyOne BASS&#33; Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9095Members
    so now i get it, if we start making the right posts flayra will give away all the changes of 1.1 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->


    hmm wait a sec, i didnt want to know that, now its no surprise <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> (why... ...why... ...did i read it :'( )
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    edited March 2003
    to anyone who would change their muzzleflash let me tell you this; the sprite is consistent from your screen to the enemy marines flashes. if you take away the one on your screen you take away the one on the enemy. and in dark areas you wont be able to see a marine who is firing on you!

    if youre in a frenzy and the marine is hiding in a dark cornerwouldnt you WANT that huge white thing to flash on him?

    i know this drawback from first hand experience, and i then replaced the original sprite.

    edit: this is of course assuming you play both sides.
  • RPGreg2600RPGreg2600 Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14578Members
    Hmm... Well, I hate playing aliens.
  • DoppleDopple Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11698Members
    The tradeoff is worth it; the fact that the marine is firing is obvious enough.
  • SoBe_DragonSoBe_Dragon Join Date: 2002-12-04 Member: 10465Members
    oh, my...god. This again.

    NO ITS NOT. People like frogg think that using basic half life console commands is cheating somehow. I'm sorry but the people that think this OPTION (OPTION OPTION OPTION) is cheating, are just frickin' retarded.

    It is considered by Flayra an exploit, which in my own opinion makes no sense either. But since its his game, he can do what he likes. This topic is old, just turn the models off while you can, then when they lock it, get reduced muzzle flash sprites. Customization = "elite" h4x in the NS world

    **WELDED**
  • Ph0enixPh0enix Join Date: 2002-10-08 Member: 1462Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--SoBe.Dragon+Mar 21 2003, 12:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoBe.Dragon @ Mar 21 2003, 12:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> oh, my...god. This again.

    NO ITS NOT. People like frogg think that using basic half life console commands is cheating somehow. I'm sorry but the people that think this OPTION (OPTION OPTION OPTION) is cheating, are just frickin' retarded.

    It is considered by Flayra an exploit, which in my own opinion makes no sense either. But since its his game, he can do what he likes. This topic is old, just turn the models off while you can, then when they lock it, get reduced muzzle flash sprites. Customization = "elite" h4x in the NS world

    **WELDED** <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OMG. I have never seen anyone so elegantly argue against themselves. As well as implying Flayra is retarded <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Sigh. In one sentence you claim it's not an exploit. Then you say it's Flayra game and he can do what he wants. He's said he considers it an exploit, so you just dug a hole for yourself i'm afraid.
  • DrathDrath Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8310Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    dragon, u said it isnt a cheat or an exploit in your opinion, but u never gave your reasoning for this way of thinking.

    as far as i can see the ONLY reason for some1 to remove their muzzle flash sprite is to be more efficient at killing. its not making it look pretty, its enabling u to get more frags. i have no problem with ppl using custom models etc. , as long as using them doesnt give them an advantage over ppl who are playing default. this does, therefore it shouldnt be used.
  • Amped1Amped1 Join Date: 2003-02-08 Member: 13287Members
    Both the muzzle flash and the teeth were implemented tohelp balance the game. It keeps people from slaughtering others. When someone removes this barrier, it is cheating. It is a basic half life command, but it is being exploited to give people an advantage.
  • Frogg2Frogg2 Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4867Members, Constellation
    SO Dragon you were fine with stopcommandermode, you are fine with the command to leap as a skulk with no sound/energy?

    After all these are simple command consoles also? sure the are exploits! But It's obviously me just customizing my game!
  • SoBe_DragonSoBe_Dragon Join Date: 2002-12-04 Member: 10465Members
    edited March 2003
    ok pheonix, you misunderstand the difference between hacking/cheating and exploiting. Once you get those definitions straight, i'll think about reading your mindless posts.

    Dragon-2
    nubs-0

    Frogg, <i>you</i> need to understand the difference between gameplay altering <b>glitches</b> and non-crucial <b>bugs</b>. I dont see how using stopcommandermode (a <b><u>NATURAL SELECTION</b></u> command) customizes anything.

    Dragon-3
    nubs-0

    It <i>is</i> exploiting something. I dont know what, but thats what FLAYRA said. I dont agree with it, but I <i>am</i> allowed to form my own opinions. Respecting that opinion is the first step to arguing with someone. Cheating or hacking is using a 3rd party program to look through walls and lock onto targets. Turning off, your models in NS is just as bad as changing your mouse sensitivity. cuuuuuuustom

    Dragon-4
    nubs-0

    Turning your models off doesnt give you any advantage that any any other player cant take advantage of as well.

    Dragon-5
    nubs-0

    By turning off your models you lose CRUCIAL on screen information for both teams.

    Dragon-6
    nubs-0

    i'll leave it at that and continue to prove people wrong as they keep posting what they think is good information.
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Drath+Mar 20 2003, 07:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Drath @ Mar 20 2003, 07:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> dragon, u said it isnt a cheat or an exploit in your opinion, but u never gave your reasoning for this way of thinking.

    as far as i can see the ONLY reason for some1 to remove their muzzle flash sprite is to be more efficient at killing. its not making it look pretty, its enabling u to get more frags. i have no problem with ppl using custom models etc. , as long as using them doesnt give them an advantage over ppl who are playing default. this does, therefore it shouldnt be used. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    the problem with this argument is that the whole mess of HL commands are a gray area of whats bad and whats good. by your reasoning my optical usb mouse at sensitivity 10.5000 is also an exploit that makes me more efficient at killing.

    do what you want, rdraw is to be locked, and IMO a deleted muzzleflash makes enemy rines hard to find in dark rooms as a skulk.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Ignore SoBe, he's an established idiot at this point.

    Yes, replacing your muzzleflash sprite with a blank is considered a cheat. As shown in those screenshots, the muzzleflash takes up the same amount of screen real estate at 640x480 as it does at 1600x1200. Turning off the r_drawviewmodels is considered an exploit as well.. even if it removes *some* information, it is non-vital compared to the advantage gained in combat.
    Both are considered an exploit by the dev team. And.. at least last time I checked, THEY have the last word on what is, and what is not an exploit... rather than an exploiting player, defending his/her pet cheat(s).

    And SoBe? I'd suggest not lumping the dev team and playtesters into the 'nubs' category, if you're somehow deciding to count up 'points' to attempt to lend credence to your mindless yawping.
    They're against your 'justified' form of <b>cheating</b>, and will be removing it in the next version, no matter how much you whine or squeal. So I'd suggest taking the time between now and v1.1 to get used to playing NS <i>without</i> <b>cheating</b>.
  • Frogg2Frogg2 Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4867Members, Constellation
    Anyways r_drawviewmodel 0 is illegal in CAL and most other leagues, so if you are ever intrested in getting into organized play I'd recommend keeping the models on. As for a reduced sprite that is also illegal.
  • SoBe_DragonSoBe_Dragon Join Date: 2002-12-04 Member: 10465Members
    this isnt worth my time. I can get through a brick wall faster then i can get through to the average player (Talesin). PM me if you wanna continue this fruitless conversation
  • Trojan2Trojan2 Join Date: 2003-01-14 Member: 12290Members
    Sooooo im wondering if I "customize" MY copy of NS so say All marines are Bright Blue and all Aleins are Brigh green would that be cheating or would it just be exercising my rights to have a set custem day day glow skins? Hell, Why I add it why dont I customize my Models too??? I use to have a slick set of CS beta 5. models that had a 10 foot spike sticking out of every ones chests. Looked like every one was inpaled on a spear and was really handy for seeing ppl through walls and telling where they were looking. Whould that inocent custem job be cheating??
    Or hey why Im thinking about it why dont I DL an aim script After all wouldent that just be "customizing"?
    The differnce between cheating and customizing is a VARY slipperly slope best left untread. If flayre dident want ppl to be blinded why biting for a splite second he wouldesnt have taken time to make teeth. If they dident want Muzzle flash to blind you for a moment so that you wouls have to busrt to aim well he wouldent have taken time to set up the flash the way he did.
    Changing your sprites is exploiting a loop hoe that hasent been closed PEROID.
  • SoBe_DragonSoBe_Dragon Join Date: 2002-12-04 Member: 10465Members
    edited March 2003
    <b>** Calm down Sobe or you'll lose your posting rights. **</b>
  • Trojan2Trojan2 Join Date: 2003-01-14 Member: 12290Members
    I have thought about it, Its giving you an advatage (a big one at that) that most players dont have which is cheating
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