Ns_olympus pics

Plaguebearer · May 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">I'll probably regret this</div>Given that every time I publicise a map, the map breaks, I'll probably regret this. but here goes...

Storage A:

<img src="http://pwp.clearsource.net/sloyd/ns_olympus/halflife01.gif" border="0">

Someplace I hope to put a command console - once I know what the model will look like:

<img src="http://pwp.clearsource.net/sloyd/ns_olympus/halflife04.gif" border="0">

CPU Hive:

<img src="http://pwp.clearsource.net/sloyd/ns_olympus/halflife08.gif" border="0">

ChromeAngel · May 2002

Neat storage crates, I may have to steal that idea.

DruBo · May 2002

It sucks!

Just kidding.... Actually it looks quite nice.

Plaguebearer · May 2002

I'll send you a .map of them, if you want 'em.

Greedo · May 2002

It's good to finally see these shots up on the forums. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

That hive room looks really awesome. The other two shots look really good, but that hive room. If you could add some kind of particle system around that computer thing, then it would just be perfect.

KungFuSquirrel · May 2002

Actually, I don't know if I'd have use of it, but I'd like the .map for those crates as well if you would be so kind. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> Just to have if the occasion to use them would arise. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

ChromeAngel · May 2002

Ah.. Somehow I missed that 3rd picture. Looks nice.

In picture 2 you have a trim around the walls about halfway up. The shadow on tha texture is at the top and the highlight is at the bottom, but the room is lit from above.

Also in picture 2 you have 2 different types of non-slip metal texture, blue painted and unpainted with no apparent border between them.

In picture 3 you have lights cut into support beams, doing this in real life would weaken the beams considerably so it looks odd.

Also in picture the I would expect the CPU to be covered in alien gunk in that position.

At second thoughts those containers must be a devil for adding to the plane count. They may be worth it however.

Moleculor · May 2002

Yes, particle systems, and -maybe- do something with that recessed part in the ceiling in the second pic? Dunno, it just seems plain... just a bit plain.

Plaguebearer · May 2002

Here's the containers~~~

Plaguebearer · May 2002

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In picture 2 you have a trim around the walls about halfway up. The shadow on tha texture is at the top and the highlight is at the bottom, but the room is lit from above.
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Yeah. That's a placeholder for now. I =despise= that trim - and most of the trims in the ns.wad. I'm waiting til I get the map finished to go back and do custom textures.

The ns.wad is really driving me up a wall.

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Also in picture 2 you have 2 different types of non-slip metal texture, blue painted and unpainted with no apparent border between them.
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Yup. I like the look - as though a section had simply been painted differently.

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In picture 3 you have lights cut into support beams, doing this in real life would weaken the beams considerably so it looks odd.
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Yup... I ended up recessing lights into support columns here and there. Again, it was more because I liked the look of it than anything else.

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Also in picture the I would expect the CPU to be covered in alien gunk in that position.
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It's hard to see, but the gunk creeps right up to about 16-32 units short of the CPU unit. When I have coolant gas pouring out of the recession in the floor, I'll be able to explain it away that the 'creep' doesn't like the coolant <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

HanzGruber · May 2002

pic 1 and 3 are nice...not sure if I like the bright overwhelming light in 2 tho...and if you need some sexy new textures you might wanna try a custom wad...but if you just want some really crappy ones..my wad is for download at <a href="http://galileo.spaceports.com/~evstudio" target="_blank">this address</a>

Plaguebearer · May 2002

At this point I'm a little gunshy about custom wads. My last map was 100% custom, and it fell under the aegis of being 'Not NS Style'. So, for now, I'm sticking with the ns.wad, until I can bust out Photoshop and Wally, and cut a piece of trim off a pre-existing NS texture.

Thanks for the offer though, I do have your stuff in my texture toolbox. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

The advantage to the bright light, Hanz, is that when people give me heck for having areas too dark, I can point at the bright spots...

My 'Obligatory Hallway' was criticized as being too dark, for example:
<img src="http://pwp.clearsource.net/sloyd/ns_olympus/halflife05.gif" border="0">

realityisdead · May 2002

Looks really great. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> Keep at it! You must be like me and take every little consctuctive piece of criticism... and tear yourself apart about it. That gathered from your comment about scrapping things when publicizing them.

Anyways, don't do that! Your work is great!

Concerning brightening areas up now because people were commenting about darkness before... think contrast. Darkness is not good. Brightness is not good. A combination of the two? Perfect. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Plaguebearer · May 2002

<img src="http://pwp.clearsource.net/sloyd/ns_olympus/halflife09.gif" border="0">

Dunno about this hive room. It's "missing something"... and don't you frickin' say Particles, either <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Maybe some more dramatic lighting...

RhoadsToNowhere · May 2002

I'd definitely suggest that this room needs more dramatic lighting. It almost looks black and white! You could probably add some more contrast to your other shots, too, because the lighting is fairly dull in all but the first shot you posted. I really like your brushwork and texturing though, those crates in the first shot are really interesting. Keep at it.

InZaneFleaArmy · May 2002

It needs dead bob carcasses and shotguns...uh...I mean...Lighting. Maybe some infestation on the pipes?

Jedisar · May 2002

Hmm..I'd say either Dark Green lighting aimed at the hive, or red lighting throughout the room. Or even be unique and make it yellow or blue lighting.

Mouse · May 2002

how about putting light_spots under the pipes and have them pointing along the pipes to make it seem like the pipescontents are heating/cooling the pipes

BTW where you have the pipes change height. there is some texture rotation needed on the top of the pipes

Killtoy · May 2002

Killtoy squints.

No... I think the textures are fine. I think you're seeing a lighting effect that just isn't blending well from one triangular face to the next.

Mecha · May 2002

This is kind of off the subject, but looking at those lovely crates made me think how cool it would be if there was an official set of prefabs, so there was some cohesion between maps. So a mining map could have some sort of containers full of mined ore and a map based on a mining transport ship could have the same containers. Well just a thought. I guess I was just impressed with those containers

Greedo · May 2002

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Sorry, but since everyone's already commenting on the lighting, I have to fault you here. There's so much you can do. Right now, this whole room just looks really static.

Another thing, the infestation doesn't seem to be too heavy. I think you could definitely add some more of that.

ChromeAngel · May 2002

What's wrong? Very little. I would put some computery bits under that overhang, so they give off a little light. The light sourcing on the horizontal support texture is coming from the wrong direction too.

pielemuis · May 2002

Incredible shots, I like your atmosphere and you did it with fairly "simple" architecture and lighting, I really like it <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Plaguebearer · May 2002

Time for the Omnibus Reply~

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It needs dead bob carcasses and shotguns...uh...I mean...Lighting. Maybe some infestation on the pipes?
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Yes, it does. Unfortunately there's no semi- or even mostly- infested pipe texture. That's on the List Of Things To Do After.

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Hmm..I'd say either Dark Green lighting aimed at the hive, or red lighting throughout the room. Or even be unique and make it yellow or blue lighting.
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I tried blue spots, and they looked wrong. Went with green spots up in the recessed area in the ceiling. Looks much better... but my computer ran out of swapfile this morning when lighting, so i can't show it at the moment :/

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No... I think the textures are fine. I think you're seeing a lighting effect that just isn't blending well from one triangular face to the next.
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Bingo.

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Sorry, but since everyone's already commenting on the lighting, I have to fault you here. There's so much you can do. Right now, this whole room just looks really static.
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Well, I've been avoiding admitting it, but I know jack-all about doing particle systems. About the best I've been able to manage are carpets of fog. Plus, I'm of the opinion that particles shouldn't make or break a room.

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Another thing, the infestation doesn't seem to be too heavy. I think you could definitely add some more of that.
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The only uninfested surface in this room is the pipes, and that's because there isn't an infested pipe texture. What more do you suggest I do?

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What's wrong? Very little. I would put some computery bits under that overhang, so they give off a little light. The light sourcing on the horizontal support texture is coming from the wrong direction too.
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There's panels to the left and right, just out of frame, my bad. As for the sourcing on the support texture, I disagree. There's a light to the side, and another above; if anything, there should simply be less shadows in the support. But that's the way it goes.

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Incredible shots, I like your atmosphere and you did it with fairly "simple" architecture and lighting, I really like it
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I'm trying to hold myself to an r_speeds limit of 600... that's why I'm not getting all froufrou in every room. I'm pleased with the results, myself.

(Plus, more detail = more planes... waugh&#33<img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

InZaneFleaArmy · May 2002

You could use a infestation texture and lay it out along the pipes...That's what I would do for infestation, along with already infested textures.

Moleculor · May 2002

Particles and COLOR. That room is GREY.

pielemuis · May 2002

I don't agree Molec, those shots all have a certai natmosphere I really liek and haven't seen in any other NS map, it reminds me of soemthing but I can't put my finger on it, and to me it doesn't seem grey at all

Cliff_Mellangard · May 2002

Looks awesome iam going to bugg badmof to get your awesome containers to. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Greedo · May 2002

For particles: <a href="http://pstutorial.tripod.com/" target="_blank">Try this tutorial.</a>

For the infestation, what I meant was, it might look good to have globs of alien muck just in the corners or hanging off the walls and cielings.

doctopepa · May 2002

first shot looks good. fourth shot looks quite good tooooo. but the shots are waaaaay to greeeeey.
try making them bluuuuuuuue
or red or.... what eeeeeeverrr *cough*

coil · May 2002

/me buys doctapepa a new, non-sticky keyboard *

Now, try not to spill your soda on this one, k? <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

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