oh yeah, I did know it couldnt run in software mode.. forgot.. still apllys to most mods though, and the team could allow it in new versions.
one more tip here:
go into your display settings and change video card settings.. turn off vsync and anisobric filtering... make sure your MB allowed for use is up and turn down detail...
man im using a p2 300, 64 ram, voodoo 3 (crap **obscenity** video card...) and im gettin 15 to 5 fps. when the game starts i even get 1 fps in firefights ! so all you guys saying oh **obscenity** im getting 60 fps instead of 120 just shut up !. i have a 5gb drive with only 1 gb free and never defraged my pc ! crap i tryed to defrag it last time and after one hour it was at 5% !!!! **obscenity**, hopefully im gettin a new pc soon (AMD 64 + gforce FX + 512 mb ddr 3500 ram+ 80 gig HD+ 19 inch screen !!!!!)......
My system took 10 hours to analyze the drive for defrag (WinXP does this at you) and then predicted 15 more hours to actually DO it. Try and beat that with a stick. My system, incidentally, runs NS at less than 4 fps in a firefight between ONE marine and ONE skulk, no buildings in the area, as soon as the gun starts firing. Before it fires it's a steady 5 FPS. I haven't tried this guide yet but first thing tomorrow I'm doing it.
Don't use WINME, its the worst operating system ever. Get win98se or WIN2k, WINXP. WINXP is best.
I have
*Pentium 4 2.1A GHZ *512 DDR SDRAM *Geforce 4 Ti 4200 128DDR *80 GIG HD
I run at highest res with 8x anscroptic filtering and 4x AA with Texture Sharpening. 99.9 to 100 fps all the time.
I have latest dets and latest intel app booster. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
gj... now thats a good way of playing <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
given that windows xp is really 2000 with service pack-you-have-to-buy-it-for-$100....... and that it requires well over 64mb of ram just to load the OS...... it is not the best for anyone who doesn't have cpu and RAM to burn on a loopy interface. Not even getting into restrictive licensing (have you actuaslly read the I agree part of service pack 1?) you basically give microsoft the right at any time to scan your hard drive for stolen/pirated software (mp3 users beware)..... If you get it with a new computer, your fine, but lesser machines feel more of a preformance boost going on to 2000 pro. Just two cents from an MCSE who runs linux at home <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--ramblingfool+Dec 24 2002, 05:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ramblingfool @ Dec 24 2002, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->given that windows xp is really 2000 with service pack-you-have-to-buy-it-for-$100....... and that it requires well over 64mb of ram just to load the OS...... it is not the best for anyone who doesn't have cpu and RAM to burn on a loopy interface. Not even getting into restrictive licensing (have you actuaslly read the I agree part of service pack 1?) you basically give microsoft the right at any time to scan your hard drive for stolen/pirated software (mp3 users beware)..... If you get it with a new computer, your fine, but lesser machines feel more of a preformance boost going on to 2000 pro. Just two cents from an MCSE who runs linux at home <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i don't u se SP1 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
woah, I just realized no one has said this... go to your natural-selection shortcut (right click, properties) and make sure ti doesnt say -32bpp, if it does change it to -16bpp to increase performance or add it if it doesnt say anything. remeber you need a space before it... like so hl.exe -32bpp not hl.exe-32bpp
also go to net play and customize, somewhere it gives you the option for high detail.. turn this off.
--- edit: nevermind, someone already did say this.. unless they too edited their post.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Second, it's a LOT more specific about your hardware than you think. 1ghz and 256mb of ram doesn't mean a thing... .. there are bus speeds of hardware, and how fast the hardware can crunch data. not all ram is the same speed.. some motherboards ARE better than others. also some hardware *IS* crap. not all 1ghz processors are equal.-- Some hardware manufacturers DO lie.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You just scared me.
I have an AMD Athlon XP 1.4 GHz, 128 PC-100 RAM, and a Gigabyte 7VMM Motherboard, which doesnt have AGP slot but it has an On board 8MB Trident Blade 3D (AGP I think..). Now you are saying ... "And why the hell would I want to know that?" Hmmm well, I'm about to buy a Biostar Motherboard which is the cheapest **** I found (I dont have that much money)... I got it in $60 dollars, plus a GeForce 2 MX 400... Actually this Trident Blade is running 10-40fps, in combat most times I get 30 cuz its in corridors, but in advanced base I get 15... (800x600 OpenGL)
Do you think that if I buy that **** I have planned to it wouldnt give a significant performance boost ? I mean, It's PC 100 Ram, and the Biostar motherboard isn't of the best out there...
you need more than 100mhz fsb to expect any kind of decent performance, there's no point going out and splashing out on a sweet gfx card if your cpu is running at less than 700-1000mhz or less than 133fsb imho. Not unless your running a duron/athlon at 100fsb with ddr giving you an effective 200mhz rating. your os needs to be tweaked too, whether it's 98/ME/2000/XP.
for 2000 and xp it's also a vg idea to disable any unnecessary services. try <a href='http://www.techadvice.com/win2000/m/msconfig_w2k.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.techadvice.com/win2000/m/msconfig_w2k.htm</a> for windows 2000.
for 98se just run msconfig and get rid of all your junk apart from systray and load power profilex2 in the startup section and you should be running anywhere from 90-95% resources free on boot up, unless you have other drivers/progs that need to load for specified devices.
Drop your desktop colour depth down to 16bpp. Turn off mouse acceleration. Disable ANY power saving you have, especially under 98se this can cause massive fps dips. some sound cards will steal your cpu usage too so you can turn down the quality of sampling/disable hardware acceleration for it altogether by running dxdiag.
You need your latest motherboard chipset/agp drivers. If your running 98se and have a via motherboard use the via drivers rated from versions 4in1428-4in1432. Try whql drivers for your gfx card from the manufacturer's website and if they don't perform well enough, then try various detonator's.
Your BIOS - learn how to tweak it or experiment with it for improved performance, try reading up on the guides over at www.tweak3d.net.
if you have winxp then go to www.tweakxp.com, if you have ME installed then I really feel sorry for you, wipe it and at the very least install 98se with all the patches etc from <a href='http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com' target='_blank'>http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com</a>.
You can find a heap of reg tweaks over at www.regedit.com for various os's.
You may have to mess around with motherboard/gfx drivers quite a bit, in conjunction with your bios/os. I'd suggest you document which sucks/doesn't as you go so that should you need to do it again in the near future you can install the right drivers first time round and keep your HAL clean.
If installing detonator drivers and coming up with problems try installing it as a standard pci graphics adapter and then installing the detonator's. Still having problems? There's a wealth of info available at www.geforcefaq.com.
re-install ns in 16bit colour if you think your hardware is the limiting factor.
Get rid of silly taskbar options like auto-hide. Even choosing not to display your clock can save you a few cpu cycles. Right click your desktop > properties> effects - disable them, apart from possibly, show icons using all possible colours or show windows contents while dragging. Definitely disable smooth edges of screen fonts.
try some other tweaks/views at www.techspot.com
remember above all - google loves us all! Always try different resolutions - the older cards will fair well from 800x600-1024. Newer cards may give you better fps at higher resolutions, experiment.
I run a ti4200 on a k7s5a with an xp1800+ and 512mb ddr and ns runs between 60-100fps in game and anywhere from 30-50 in commander mode running at 32bpp with high detail and sound, resolution 1600x1200 @75hz with v-sync and anisotropic filtering off.
this isnt exactly a fps problem, but it results in the same thing. i went through this thread and took up alot of your suggestions and it runs better now in the realm of fps but the game insists on these 3-5 second pauses or staggers every so often and its driving me nuts, im not exactly sure whats causing them only that it strikes suddenly (and as these things do, at bad times) otherwise my system runs great :\ anyone have any ideas what the cursed computer is doing and how to fix it? Im on a p3 600 mhz 256 megs of ram.
i run it with an old geforce 2 card, 64 megs of ram. os - win 98 se i recently updated directx to 9 and i should have relatively recent detonator drivers. (i mean whats really got me confused is that this started up one day randomly and has continued since, cant figure out what happened since i didnt really do anything that could trigger a reaction like that)
hmm, I wouldn't use the newer drivers if your on a gf2 gts I'd go for the 21.83's - 30.82 max, possibly even as far back as the 12.41 just to test em out.
the 23.11's are v.fast but do have some stability issues on different systems. I'd try the 21.83's and see how that goes.
Do you need directx9? when I was running my gts I found 8.0a gave me the best results with the 23.11's.
update your motherboard agp/chipset drivers if possible.
when I was running a pIII 1.0ghz and gf2gts I got my best bang for the buck in different games with the 12.41, 21.83 and 23.11 detonator.
If you can't find a fix I'd consider directx eradicator - back to 8.0a with different drivers, don't bother going above 8.1 if you can.
info @ <a href='http://www1.freewebs.com/firecat/' target='_blank'>http://www1.freewebs.com/firecat/</a>
phew, theres a lot in this topic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I have a PIII 600 mhz ( although when u upgrade HL he detects 701 ) 3 X 128 ram, a tnt2 video card ( 23 mb ) and i run windows XP
all my mods i've checked on the FPS are around 10-30 ( FA,DC,CS,NS ) doesnt matter if i play them at 1152x864 or 1024X768 i still get 10-30
i'll switch to windows 2000 soon becouse he requires a lot less of processor/bus power ( i think that one is slowing my PC down )
i also can try win ME but to my knowledge its just another 16/32 bit hybrid OS ( like win 95 and win 98 ) only win ME has gotten that much upgrades so it cant be fast anymore ( try to run when ur really drunk, i dont cover the bruses and broken bones <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
anyway, what can i do to increae all of my mod's FPS ( i could try all the things u said for NS but i think FA,DC and CS will have any advantage over that )
and no.... i wont upgrade this system when i can buy a brand new P IV in a few months ( actualy i dont even think i have to )
I have Athlon 2400+ (2Ghz), 512MB 333Mhz DDR ram with the best bios timing and latency, Radeon 9K PRO (275/275 Mhz, 64MB) with Catalyst 3.1 DX9 drivers, all driver settings set for detail, Anisotropic filtering 2x, Win XP, running NS at 1152x864, 32bit colors, Open GL, have done nothing to optimize the speed in HL anyway - have 75 Fps almost all the time.
zero, set your fps_modem or fps_lan to 100 (depending which connection you're on, either modem or cable/dsl for lan)
for those of you that think you have a pimp system, remember the geforce 4 MX cards are the equivalent to a geforce 2 Ultra, only with a slightly higher clock speed. so its not nearly as fast as a geforce 4 4200 etc
i have an athlon xp 1600+ (oc'd to 1.6ghz) 768MB ddr333 ram, on an asus 333mhz board, with a geforce 3ti 500. i use vsync and at 1280x960 my refresh is at 85Hz, so i set my fps_modem to the same. it stays vsync'd unless theres really bad polys/entities, and i've gotten as low as 30 in the cc. NS seems to be as bad as quake 3 with 4xFSAA. hehe and yes i play in 32bit, just because the system can handle it, and 16bit is horridly ugly.
also, after tweaking 98se to its limit (reg entries and such), the default xp settings with the newest detonator drivers gave me an extra 10-15fps in q3, so it might help you out if you can run it.
woah! one of my topics has made it to sticky!!! (changed forum name to garet jax cos thats my NS name) ...dont even remember makin this post...
Anyway, here's some ping helping stuff:
control panel -> modem = turn OFF data compression and set recieve and transmit buffer to MAX (these options under 'advanced' and 'config' (or something like that).
cl_allowdownload 0 (HL cmd: ure PC wont spend 1xt 15mins of a game downloading peoples spray decals)
d/l dialup wizad at <a href='http://www.cyberwizardpit.com' target='_blank'>http://www.cyberwizardpit.com</a>. It auto-configures ure modem for max usage (make sure u get the right proggy for ure OS!!!)
But the biggest ping booster u'll ever do: update u're modem drivers. When i started playing HL (3/4 yrs ago now) i had 350-400 ping. A year later i downloaded a 100kb driver update and, with the exact same system, my HL ping is 180-220
What is difference between "fps" and "fps_modem(/lan)" commands? Anyway i changed my max fps to 100 before some time, now it shows 100fps max and about 68fps min (room with lots of SGs, buildings, mines, phase gates, players etc.). What is the best flow control (dont know if i translated it right), Xon/Xoff, Hardware or None (noticed that hardware is maybe better than xon/xoff)? Now i have ISDN, but soon will i have ADSL (its a NEW thing in my country <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> ,lol, i have ordered it week ago and now they sent me email that my order is okay, they are really "fast" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->), it will be just 192/64 but its still better than my ISDN 64 and i wont have to pay for time spent on net, only a monthly fee (that is two times the monthly fee for ISDN but without payments for time that was about two times the fee so its cheaper) and its without any DL limits or such crap.
There is something i found out a little while back.
certain renderers use different scaled textures, d3d is best at 640x480 and opengl is best at 1024x768 because then the computer doesnt have to 'rescale' each texture everytime you see it, this gets you about extra fps tho.
Also, if you run on ogl at 1024x768 its about processor speed and ram there, because even if u havea tnt2 (ihave tnt2 m64) you should be able to run it well enough.
Today im gonna get a new mobo and a gf2 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> so i'll be set till the next gen of mods/games
For those of you that don't know, NS is almost purely CPU intensive. You can't fix that without a faster cpu, priority tweaking might help a couple FPS.
I've made a demo of a pretty intense battle and where your FPS really drops, I tested different cpus and different video cards, and cpus with low ram speeds (ie: celerons).
A Geforce 2 MX 32meg agp overclocked got only 2fps higher as a matrox g200 8meg AGP, in 640x480 opengl/direct3d, on a 400mhz P2. The matrox card benches 1/10 of the marks roughly that gf2mx in 3dmark2001. The geforce 2 mx was able to get the SAME result in 1024x768 32bit color opengl/direct3d than it did in 640x480. I used a Geforce 4 MX 64meg AGP also and got the SAME FPS! Vsync disabled regular CFG files, fresh driver install.
The performance increase is almost linear with CPU increase. A celeron 500 w/ 66mhz fsb and high latency settings was still faster than the p2 400mhz, even though it has 33% faster ram.
With a faster cpu (ie: 1ghz and up) you would notice a difference with a good video card, but NS uses mostly cpu intensive stuff, especially in areas with high polygons counts (marine base).
You CAN get 40fps on a P2 400 or whatever like they say, but it doesn't mean that will be your AVERAGE fps, in battle it can drop downwards to 5fps even on a geforce 4 mx overclocked to 360/513 in 640x480. When you're walking around by yourself, with structures, you can easily pull 100fps on a gf 2 mx, even the g200 card reached high fps ammounts.
Right now I'm using a P3 Katmai 600 133mhz fsb, and the Geforce 2 MX, my fps drops down to 15 sometimes in heavy areas, and it's the same in 640x480 mode and 1024x768 mode. The celeron 500 @ 625mhz outperforms my P3 in NS because it's purely cpu intensive and doesn't even rely on ram speed much. Weird eh?
But in conclusion, to help FPS use the autoexec.cfg maker at tweak3d.net, it will only do any sort of effect if the video card is your limitation (ie: a 1000mhz system with a tnt2 m64). Lowering the sound quality will give you better fps because it takes load off of the cpu, but not much to justify the quality.
It sucks that in all HL mods i get 100fps in 1024x768 ALWAYS, it never drops below 100 in CS... but when it comes to ns, hello 15-50fps <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also in the latest HL, fps_lan and fps_modem don't even exist, it was replaced by fps_max, since fps isn't connection dependant now.
<!--QuoteBegin--Elanzer+Mar 22 2003, 09:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Elanzer @ Mar 22 2003, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also in the latest HL, fps_lan and fps_modem don't even exist, it was replaced by fps_max, since fps isn't connection dependant now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yea, fps_max was the command i used.
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one more tip here:
go into your display settings and change video card settings.. turn off vsync and anisobric filtering... make sure your MB allowed for use is up and turn down detail...
I have
*Pentium 4 2.1A GHZ
*512 DDR SDRAM
*Geforce 4 Ti 4200 128DDR
*80 GIG HD
I run at highest res with 8x anscroptic filtering and 4x AA with Texture Sharpening. 99.9 to 100 fps all the time.
I have latest dets and latest intel app booster. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
i don't u se SP1 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
also go to net play and customize, somewhere it gives you the option for high detail.. turn this off.
---
edit: nevermind, someone already did say this.. unless they too edited their post.
1ghz and 256mb of ram doesn't mean a thing... .. there are bus speeds of hardware, and how fast the hardware can crunch data. not all ram is the same speed.. some motherboards ARE better than others. also some hardware *IS* crap. not all 1ghz processors are equal.-- Some hardware manufacturers DO lie.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You just scared me.
I have an AMD Athlon XP 1.4 GHz, 128 PC-100 RAM, and a Gigabyte 7VMM Motherboard, which doesnt have AGP slot but it has an On board 8MB Trident Blade 3D (AGP I think..).
Now you are saying ... "And why the hell would I want to know that?" Hmmm well, I'm about to buy a Biostar Motherboard which is the cheapest **** I found (I dont have that much money)... I got it in $60 dollars, plus a GeForce 2 MX 400...
Actually this Trident Blade is running 10-40fps, in combat most times I get 30 cuz its in corridors, but in advanced base I get 15... (800x600 OpenGL)
Do you think that if I buy that **** I have planned to it wouldnt give a significant performance boost ? I mean, It's PC 100 Ram, and the Biostar motherboard isn't of the best out there...
for 2000 and xp it's also a vg idea to disable any unnecessary services. try <a href='http://www.techadvice.com/win2000/m/msconfig_w2k.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.techadvice.com/win2000/m/msconfig_w2k.htm</a> for windows 2000.
for 98se just run msconfig and get rid of all your junk apart from systray and load power profilex2 in the startup section and you should be running anywhere from 90-95% resources free on boot up, unless you have other drivers/progs that need to load for specified devices.
Drop your desktop colour depth down to 16bpp. Turn off mouse acceleration. Disable ANY power saving you have, especially under 98se this can cause massive fps dips. some sound cards will steal your cpu usage too so you can turn down the quality of sampling/disable hardware acceleration for it altogether by running dxdiag.
You need your latest motherboard chipset/agp drivers. If your running 98se and have a via motherboard use the via drivers rated from versions 4in1428-4in1432. Try whql drivers for your gfx card from the manufacturer's website and if they don't perform well enough, then try various detonator's.
Your BIOS - learn how to tweak it or experiment with it for improved performance, try reading up on the guides over at www.tweak3d.net.
if you have winxp then go to www.tweakxp.com, if you have ME installed then I really feel sorry for you, wipe it and at the very least install 98se with all the patches etc from <a href='http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com' target='_blank'>http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com</a>.
You can find a heap of reg tweaks over at www.regedit.com for various os's.
You may have to mess around with motherboard/gfx drivers quite a bit, in conjunction with your bios/os. I'd suggest you document which sucks/doesn't as you go so that should you need to do it again in the near future you can install the right drivers first time round and keep your HAL clean.
If installing detonator drivers and coming up with problems try installing it as a standard pci graphics adapter and then installing the detonator's. Still having problems? There's a wealth of info available at www.geforcefaq.com.
re-install ns in 16bit colour if you think your hardware is the limiting factor.
Get rid of silly taskbar options like auto-hide. Even choosing not to display your clock can save you a few cpu cycles. Right click your desktop > properties> effects - disable them, apart from possibly, show icons using all possible colours or show windows contents while dragging. Definitely disable smooth edges of screen fonts.
try some other tweaks/views at www.techspot.com
remember above all - google loves us all! Always try different resolutions - the older cards will fair well from 800x600-1024. Newer cards may give you better fps at higher resolutions, experiment.
I run a ti4200 on a k7s5a with an xp1800+ and 512mb ddr and ns runs between 60-100fps in game and anywhere from 30-50 in commander mode running at 32bpp with high detail and sound, resolution 1600x1200 @75hz with v-sync and anisotropic filtering off.
the 23.11's are v.fast but do have some stability issues on different systems. I'd try the 21.83's and see how that goes.
Do you need directx9? when I was running my gts I found 8.0a gave me the best results with the 23.11's.
update your motherboard agp/chipset drivers if possible.
when I was running a pIII 1.0ghz and gf2gts I got my best bang for the buck in different games with the 12.41, 21.83 and 23.11 detonator.
If you can't find a fix I'd consider directx eradicator - back to 8.0a with different drivers, don't bother going above 8.1 if you can.
info @ <a href='http://www1.freewebs.com/firecat/' target='_blank'>http://www1.freewebs.com/firecat/</a>
Thanks.
Type net_graph 0 to switch it back off..
( not a true fps reading as showing the netgraph itself uses a tiny amount of extra power, but still, close enough for most purposes..)
If you want to check things for say, mapping purposes, r_speeds 1 will show you all the w/poly and all that.
If you only want the fps, then cl_showfps 1, cl_showfps 0 to switch it back off..
I have a PIII 600 mhz ( although when u upgrade HL he detects 701 ) 3 X 128 ram, a tnt2 video card ( 23 mb ) and i run windows XP
all my mods i've checked on the FPS are around 10-30 ( FA,DC,CS,NS ) doesnt matter if i play them at 1152x864 or 1024X768 i still get 10-30
i'll switch to windows 2000 soon becouse he requires a lot less of processor/bus power ( i think that one is slowing my PC down )
i also can try win ME but to my knowledge its just another 16/32 bit hybrid OS ( like win 95 and win 98 ) only win ME has gotten that much upgrades so it cant be fast anymore ( try to run when ur really drunk, i dont cover the bruses and broken bones <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
anyway, what can i do to increae all of my mod's FPS ( i could try all the things u said for NS but i think FA,DC and CS will have any advantage over that )
and no.... i wont upgrade this system when i can buy a brand new P IV in a few months ( actualy i dont even think i have to )
for those of you that think you have a pimp system, remember the geforce 4 MX cards are the equivalent to a geforce 2 Ultra, only with a slightly higher clock speed. so its not nearly as fast as a geforce 4 4200 etc
i have an athlon xp 1600+ (oc'd to 1.6ghz) 768MB ddr333 ram, on an asus 333mhz board, with a geforce 3ti 500. i use vsync and at 1280x960 my refresh is at 85Hz, so i set my fps_modem to the same. it stays vsync'd unless theres really bad polys/entities, and i've gotten as low as 30 in the cc. NS seems to be as bad as quake 3 with 4xFSAA. hehe and yes i play in 32bit, just because the system can handle it, and 16bit is horridly ugly.
also, after tweaking 98se to its limit (reg entries and such), the default xp settings with the newest detonator drivers gave me an extra 10-15fps in q3, so it might help you out if you can run it.
...dont even remember makin this post...
Anyway, here's some ping helping stuff:
control panel -> modem = turn OFF data compression and set recieve and transmit buffer to MAX (these options under 'advanced' and 'config' (or something like that).
cl_allowdownload 0 (HL cmd: ure PC wont spend 1xt 15mins of a game downloading peoples spray decals)
d/l dialup wizad at <a href='http://www.cyberwizardpit.com' target='_blank'>http://www.cyberwizardpit.com</a>. It auto-configures ure modem for max usage (make sure u get the right proggy for ure OS!!!)
But the biggest ping booster u'll ever do: update u're modem drivers. When i started playing HL (3/4 yrs ago now) i had 350-400 ping. A year later i downloaded a 100kb driver update and, with the exact same system, my HL ping is 180-220
certain renderers use different scaled textures, d3d is best at 640x480 and opengl is best at 1024x768 because then the computer doesnt have to 'rescale' each texture everytime you see it, this gets you about extra fps tho.
Also, if you run on ogl at 1024x768 its about processor speed and ram there, because even if u havea tnt2 (ihave tnt2 m64) you should be able to run it well enough.
Today im gonna get a new mobo and a gf2 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> so i'll be set till the next gen of mods/games
I've made a demo of a pretty intense battle and where your FPS really drops, I tested different cpus and different video cards, and cpus with low ram speeds (ie: celerons).
A Geforce 2 MX 32meg agp overclocked got only 2fps higher as a matrox g200 8meg AGP, in 640x480 opengl/direct3d, on a 400mhz P2. The matrox card benches 1/10 of the marks roughly that gf2mx in 3dmark2001. The geforce 2 mx was able to get the SAME result in 1024x768 32bit color opengl/direct3d than it did in 640x480. I used a Geforce 4 MX 64meg AGP also and got the SAME FPS! Vsync disabled regular CFG files, fresh driver install.
The performance increase is almost linear with CPU increase. A celeron 500 w/ 66mhz fsb and high latency settings was still faster than the p2 400mhz, even though it has 33% faster ram.
With a faster cpu (ie: 1ghz and up) you would notice a difference with a good video card, but NS uses mostly cpu intensive stuff, especially in areas with high polygons counts (marine base).
You CAN get 40fps on a P2 400 or whatever like they say, but it doesn't mean that will be your AVERAGE fps, in battle it can drop downwards to 5fps even on a geforce 4 mx overclocked to 360/513 in 640x480. When you're walking around by yourself, with structures, you can easily pull 100fps on a gf 2 mx, even the g200 card reached high fps ammounts.
Right now I'm using a P3 Katmai 600 133mhz fsb, and the Geforce 2 MX, my fps drops down to 15 sometimes in heavy areas, and it's the same in 640x480 mode and 1024x768 mode. The celeron 500 @ 625mhz outperforms my P3 in NS because it's purely cpu intensive and doesn't even rely on ram speed much. Weird eh?
But in conclusion, to help FPS use the autoexec.cfg maker at tweak3d.net, it will only do any sort of effect if the video card is your limitation (ie: a 1000mhz system with a tnt2 m64). Lowering the sound quality will give you better fps because it takes load off of the cpu, but not much to justify the quality.
It sucks that in all HL mods i get 100fps in 1024x768 ALWAYS, it never drops below 100 in CS... but when it comes to ns, hello 15-50fps <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also in the latest HL, fps_lan and fps_modem don't even exist, it was replaced by fps_max, since fps isn't connection dependant now.
Yea, fps_max was the command i used.