Perfectly Balanced

EgoEgo Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12804Members
in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">- What it takes -</div> Well i dont think its possible for 1,
there is always the brand newbie factor,
there is always the imbalanced map factor,
there is always the ..erm..otherstuff factor


i think the more we pick at it the more things that are going to get filtered out yes.

but i dont ever want ns to stop.. the day its " perfectly balanced " ( voumetric flamethrower/napalm , 30 seconds to each hive egzactly etc. ) is the day i stop playing... seriously, it will get stale :-/

my only request, mess something up each patch, that way we have something to **** and moan about <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

-=suggested messups this patch=-

1. a map noone likes( Garonteed )
2. marines start with hmg/jp( make it nice and unfair )
3. aliens start with onos... ( randomly )
4. gorgies have 200 res max ( ill pay your weekly rent flay.. )
5. 14% more puggieness in gorges ( ill pay for a new computer flay.. )
_ - the ice is t h i n -_

Ego

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  • ArdescoArdesco Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7831Members
    edited February 2003
    I think otherwise. If NS ever gets to the point where it becomes a truly balanced RTS/FPS game, then victory isn't always assured if you have the best shooters (as opposed to a superior strategy or a counter-strat)
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  • foolfool Join Date: 2003-01-18 Member: 12447Members
    as long as flay doesnt turn this into a blizzard type game where theres a new patach every 6 months because they cant figure out how to balance games after 6 years. or feel like nerfing and upgrading random things to be used more. blizzard has updated thier games about 10 times each, still far from balanced. (i mean really how hard is it..)
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  • KaniranKaniran Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12465Members
    edited February 2003
    Its quite difficult to balance a game perfectly, especially when the teams are supposed to be VERY different, like in NS. If you want perfect balance, make it a marine VS marine game in a long hallway with one bend, and bots comprising both teams. Perfect balance, because there are no variables. I have no problem with balance patches every once in a while, since I think it does better balance game play.
    The difficult thing to balance is that the game is still mostly experiance and skill based. Personally, I don't think that aliens win more on pub servers because it is unbalanced, I think it has to do with the amount of skill required to play either team. New players can play aliens better than they can marines, and if both teams have very little teamwork, I'll bet on the aliens everytime. With skill and teamwork on both sides, my money goes with the marines.
    So, all in all, this post doesn't make a single point. It just states the obvious over and over again. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that you CAN'T easily balance the game without teams that begin exactly the same every game. And by that time, as Ego stated, its boring as hell.

    BTW flay: Ye god of NS, I'd say you should add a few more exploits that morons discover after about a week. This gives some of us a good reason to boot people who would probably get booted anyways. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I suggest..... dare I say it..... well, read my sig.
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  • DervishDervish Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2423Members
    2 points:

    1.) Perfect game balance != possible.

    2.) Onocide == rawk.

    Thank you, that is all.
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  • InfinitumInfinitum Anime Encyclopedia Join Date: 2002-08-08 Member: 1111Members, Constellation
    It's Flayra's game, he has put a LOT of hard effort into it.

    He will continue to ensure NS is as fun a game as humanly possible. NS will never grow stale as long as the community keeps supporting it -_-
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  • EgoEgo Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12804Members
    yes it will grow stale...

    i remember, cs was fun as hell, me and brothers used to play on lan all the time. then suddenly, i dont know why, but... it sucked... we went online, all we herd were these stupid newbies going ppwwnneed, 1337_leet whatever, then, i stoped playing it..

    oh then cs is sold in stores now?! the hell?

    just saying its thin ice when you have something good dont wanna go all corperate with it. specialy a game like ns. its the community that makes it so great. the fact that if someone posts on the boards, a DEV or someone LISTENS is the greatest part of it.


    Ego

    [FACT] - im outa juice
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  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    <!--QuoteBegin---fool-+Feb 26 2003, 07:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-fool- @ Feb 26 2003, 07:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> as long as flay doesnt turn this into a blizzard type game where theres a new patach every 6 months because they cant figure out how to balance games after 6 years. or feel like nerfing and upgrading random things to be used more. blizzard has updated thier games about 10 times each, still far from balanced. (i mean really how hard is it..) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    !

    I'd go for a new patch every six months! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • InfinitumInfinitum Anime Encyclopedia Join Date: 2002-08-08 Member: 1111Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ego+Feb 26 2003, 09:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ego @ Feb 26 2003, 09:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yes it will grow stale...

    i remember, cs was fun as hell, me and brothers used to play on lan all the time. then suddenly, i dont know why, but... it sucked... we went online, all we herd were these stupid newbies going ppwwnneed, 1337_leet whatever, then, i stoped playing it..

    oh then cs is sold in stores now?! the hell?

    just saying its thin ice when you have something good dont wanna go all corperate with it. specialy a game like ns. its the community that makes it so great. the fact that if someone posts on the boards, a DEV or someone LISTENS is the greatest part of it.


    Ego

    [FACT] - im outa juice <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    CS is VALVe's personal love ****

    don't ever forget that.
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  • EgoEgo Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12804Members
    heh, yea, cs is that aint it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->


    flay, dont sell out buddy... for the love of god, if it comes down to it ill pay you...

    Ego

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  • ainfectainfect Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13102Members
    hmmmmmm........i kinda like the idea of starting with random stuff(ie hmgs, jps, starting as onos, starting as fade).........amx/adminmod plugin perhaps?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->?
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  • EgoEgo Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12804Members
    hehe plugins? dunno,

    what if it randomly goes to a new person <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> .. not that thats bad, its just, not good..

    <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> but i think would be fun


    btw - everyone should play with sv_cheats 1 on once in a while lol, that is FUN <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> lol
    but defeats porpous of ns, ( alota rambos ) did it on my clan server <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->, will do it again if asked <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->


    Ego

    [FACT] - pfft, erm.. alota stuff tastes like chicken
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  • ainfectainfect Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13102Members
    i cant do plugins. i just think it would be an interesting game.

    think of this...as aliens, you get 1 guy who starts as onos......BUT.....since there is no res, no hive, no d, no movement, what can he really do? if a JPer or HA/HMGer comes at him hes gotta run and hide <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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