X-com Weapons

ZeroSaber · February 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Something I've been musing over...</div> I've been playing X-Com: UFO Defense / Enemy Unknown recently, and I think it would be awesome if someone made / is willing to 'help' me make the Rifle, Pistol, and AutoCannon.

I'll try to find some pics/info on them, for anyone who hasn't played/heard of X-Com.

Oh.. if you'd like to 'help' me 'acquire' a 'repaired' version of my preferred modelling software (MS3D) I'd like a PM, tyvm. Damn registration bugs.

EDIT: Found a couple pics.

<img src='http://www.x-com.co.uk/games/alliance/images/gallery/alliancepistol.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
The Pistol
<img src='http://www.x-com.co.uk/games/alliance/images/gallery/allaincerifle.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
The Rifle

Tykjen · February 2003

gotta get some insectoids and snakemen to replace the aliens too <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Morgoth · February 2003

i used to play the old sdchool xcom when i was little

looks like a good idea for a replacement <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Delarosa · February 2003

looks good to me, but since i can't figure out how to put textures on models, assign bones, or any of that... i can't do it...

ZeroSaber · February 2003

There are other people that can do that, you just worry about the modelling part of it.

Gordon · February 2003

I don't model, so I can't help you, but the idea is reaaalllyyy cool <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>.

-GF

Obibun · February 2003

I thought you said you wanted X-Com weapons..
those are nothing like X-Com weapons. lol.

Remember, we're talking about X-Com before it turned into crap. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> UFO Defence and TFTD basically.

There are tons of old UFO Defence sites with pictures on them, I'm almost sure of it.

I'll check around.

auto354 · February 2003

The pistol looks cool and when its made I'm more than likely gonna make weapon sprites for them. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'>

Gordon · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Obibun @ Feb 18 2003, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I thought you said you wanted X-Com weapons..
those are nothing like X-Com weapons. lol.

Remember, we're talking about X-Com before it turned into crap. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> UFO Defence and TFTD basically.

There are tons of old UFO Defence sites with pictures on them, I'm almost sure of it.

I'll check around.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
These two are concepts from X-COM Alliance, the cancelled FPS of X-Com

-GF

Jamil · February 2003

That rifle is the same old rifle that appeared in enemy unkown/ufo defense. The pistol is something new. There are also laser rifles and laser pistols, but those were kinda ugly. Gauss rifles and harpoon launchers were ugly too. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

I'll give it a swing, but being largly unknown in the whole modelling community is probably a good indication of my current ability. Expect a lack luster job. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

ZeroSaber · February 2003

Something's always better than nothing. At least you're willing to try, and in my book, that's all that counts.

I actually like this pistol better than the original UFO pistol. The Laser and Plasma rifles were probably the coolest looking weapons in the game, though...Heavy Plasma would own for the HMG.. And from TFTD, let me try and find some pics of the Gauss Pistol/Rifle.

OOH! Idea. Going to go look for some Small Launcher(Stun Bomb thingy..) or Blaster Launcher pics for the GL...

Jamil · February 2003

Progress?
Report if you don't like something here.

I'm going to start modelling now.

Marcianito · February 2003

i will try to model the pistol if any is doing the rifle, but im not a texturer <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> i only make the model without hands, and post the file here.

Ok?

Archzai · February 2003

when did the latest xcom come out?? i really wanted to get it but lost track?!

parkan · February 2003

I never imagined the rifle being so round. I think the front part should be a rectangular prism with rounded corners, not a cylinder.

Jamil · February 2003

More progress?

I'm making it round, cause that's the only 3D reference picture I have. If you can find me something else then feel free to bring it to my attention. Otherwise, nyah nyah nah boo boo. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

I know that the screenshot looks odd because of milkshape, I'll make better screenshots when I get closer to being finished.

Marcianito · February 2003

mmmm... looks low detailed... still working on it and will be amazing, i still working on the pistol, but dont want to take screens because is not finished yet, but tomorrow will post one or two screens.....

still working on it jamit <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Obibun · February 2003

I'd model it, but I really, really don't like the rifle they have there. It's nothing like the old one from X-Com. Older was much thinner, longer and didn't have a huge, ugly, circular barrel.

Here's an example of my modelling skills. They're not great, but they're shaping up. You find me some decent artwork for the old rifle and I'll model it. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Marcianito · February 2003

good ak, how many polys have it?

Jamil · February 2003

Actually, it's already pretty up there in the polycount because of the round barrel. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>
I count 766, and half of that is in the barrel. I also just did a mirror and slapped two pieces together, so I could optimize down the middle and shave off about 200 polys.
And hey, don't be afraid to post works in progress. From my point of view, this is just trial and error so I probably won't release it on grand scale. It's why you don't see a mwip thread and probably never will. Assuming it gets finished, heh.

Jamil · February 2003

I really don't know what you guys are talking about. It looks exactly like that reference, save for the choice of colours.

Jamil · February 2003

Worked on it a little more. Took some liberties and changed the barrel to fit people's wishes a little more. It has a few problems still that need to be worked out. What do you think, zero?

enfurno · February 2003

im sory, but that rifle is not pretty, the pistol is a bit better, but...man not trying to be rude but that looks like something i made as a kid with some duct tape pvc pipe and left over peices from busted guns i had laying around

Jaeger · February 2003

Rifles aren't supposed to be pretty. If the design works, if it does what it's supposed to, that's good enough for me. Remember, the objective is to kill people and break things with it, not win a beauty pageant <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Besides, with all the half-finished dead projects floating around here, it's nice too see something new, especially since we all know X-COM kicks so much ****. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

ZeroSaber · February 2003

/me does happy dance

Looking pretty good so far, actually. And what do you mean the original X-Com rifle wasn't round? Go play the game again <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

What I notice, though, Jamil, is that the stock on your rifle is too short and fat. I look at the pic I found on the first page again, and it looks pretty long, and much thinner. Don't get me wrong, it's a great first try, and I think you've got the barrel and most of the front part down pretty well.

I'm working on getting 3DSM 4 to work, as 5 doesn't like me very much. When/if I get it running, I'll try my hand at it.

ZeroSaber · February 2003

*bump*

Noooooo! Don't die on us!

Jamil · February 2003

It would be nice if you could find someone to texture this thing. I doubt it has to be very good. As long as you have the inkling to skin something and love x-com, you could skin my monstrosity. I optimised it really low on the polys using the gmax optimize tool. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>
It's at like 300-something now from 800-something <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

By the way, I gave texturing a try. But there's just too much overhead trying to figure out all the graphics design programs. I can picture what it should look like in my head, but trying to make something that looks like that short of drawing pixel by pixel is just too complex.

Jamil · February 2003

This is my first version of the rifle. Call it a beta...or maybe alpha is more suitable.

If you want it zero, you're going to have to PM me some way to send it to you. I'm not making a public release, because I used the animations from the pulse rifle when I compiled without permission.

I know the texture sucks, but that's the full extent of my abilities.

Akalamanaia · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jamil @ Feb 19 2003, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> More progress?

I'm making it round, cause that's the only 3D reference picture I have. If you can find me something else then feel free to bring it to my attention. Otherwise, nyah nyah nah boo boo. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

I know that the screenshot looks odd because of milkshape, I'll make better screenshots when I get closer to being finished.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
You got backward faces(the black areas),fix em.

Delarosa · February 2003

i've got the same problem, but mines a little diff, it's an import from a Q3 file...it's just too big for MS3D to handle showing it all.... (i think)

Jamil · February 2003

Yes, I weeded out most of the inverted faces. I'm aware of some I kept in, because you can't really see them and I plan on redesigning that section of the gun. Selecting back faces is a pain in milkshape. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

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