I Just Realized It!
emc256
Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10833Members
I have been playing since October 31st, release, and now I have been enlightened and will proceed to NS nirvana.
It hit me one day:
THE GAME IS BALANCED!!!
*scattered applause*
After browsing through countless unbalanced threads, I HAVE THE TRUTH!!!
I will give reasons why NS is balanced, and that any changes made to it will be minor shifts - not enough to unbalance it.
- Marines MUST grab 2 hives to win, aliens can do well when they secure only a 2nd hive. (Fades kick butt no
matter how much you raise the res cost)
- A good skulk can take on many marines - try it! BTW, leap in the hands of a skilled player is incredible...
But there are many decent marines - seasoned FPS players used to the point and shoot style of Marines
- Marines get motion tracking - wall hack - but skulks get parasite from the beginning
- Got a crappy comm? Vote him out. Aliens can have n00bs who go gorge - 4 gorges - but they tend to get
killed quick being n00bs.
There are too many reasons to list! My brain is about to explode from the shining truth! AHHHHH!!!
It hit me one day:
THE GAME IS BALANCED!!!
*scattered applause*
After browsing through countless unbalanced threads, I HAVE THE TRUTH!!!
I will give reasons why NS is balanced, and that any changes made to it will be minor shifts - not enough to unbalance it.
- Marines MUST grab 2 hives to win, aliens can do well when they secure only a 2nd hive. (Fades kick butt no
matter how much you raise the res cost)
- A good skulk can take on many marines - try it! BTW, leap in the hands of a skilled player is incredible...
But there are many decent marines - seasoned FPS players used to the point and shoot style of Marines
- Marines get motion tracking - wall hack - but skulks get parasite from the beginning
- Got a crappy comm? Vote him out. Aliens can have n00bs who go gorge - 4 gorges - but they tend to get
killed quick being n00bs.
There are too many reasons to list! My brain is about to explode from the shining truth! AHHHHH!!!
Comments
Heres a hint.... never pay attention to it.. i never have...
some people never go on to realise this fact...*claps*
when i started playing i thought it was imbalanced
but the more i played both sides
my opinion changed to it is balanced ...ENOUGH
maybe not perfectly balanced but what do you expect in a game
with 2 different sides having completely different methods, weapons, etc.
we played a game at a LAN party that went forever.
it seemed this kept repeating
-aliens would get 2-3 hives
-marines would knock them back to 1
we finally quit and called it a tie rather than pass out from exhaustion
sounds pretty balanced eh
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Ok, so you play in games where one team wins ALL the time.... Depending on where you play depends on your experiences (as many have said). The server i regularly play on has had games such as the one described by kingmob.... 3 - 4 hour games where no side has the tactical advantage, although we did actually finish the game eventually. Regardless of what you think, this happens quite a lot...
A somewhat hasty conclusion: People just don't know the game is unbalanced until they see a newer version.
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Hoo boy. Didn't realise it was THAT bad :/
Well, I was under the impression that 1.04 was pretty balenced based on the fact that on the servers I play on we have some VERY talented regulars and generally victory goes to the side that has the most regulars on it. This suggests that skill is more important than side.
On the other hand, be that as it may I seem to recall that when both sides have an even number of regulars the Kharaa win. You may be on to something...
It still feels that a lot of victories are very hard won. But then, it's often a case of "either the marines secure two hives or they lose the game." I seem to remember reading that Flay's original intention was for the marines to secure one hive and then it was fades vs HA\HMG in a struggle for the third hive, but I can't ever remember this happening.
Hm.... maybe there is still some tweaking left to do. It does seem that whichever side has the bigger guns wins automatically.
The only thing is unbalanced is the flow of play eg. Marine 2 hive = win and Aliens 3 hive = win (but not so bad as the marines) allowing both teams to be slack and still have a good chance of an win
Then again, "balanced" is a very subjective word.
Play with morons, game is unbalanced.
Play with coherent non-drooling people, game is balanced.
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<i>edit:</i> That is true with pubs...
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Hmm will you post a link to where Flay says that? I mean I had an Idea that aliens might have a slight advantage, my reasoning is complicated, but I'd like to see what Flay had to say about that.
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On public servers, that is. Clan play sees the marines win every time.
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I´m so sorry for you, because I see that all the time. Seriously. Try shopping for a new server with many regulars playing.
Methinks that the problem is people giving up at the first yell of "FADES!!!OMG FAAAAAADES!!1! F4 F4"
Upgrades and the right teamwork makes for one helluva battle mid-game, Fades+Lerks+Battlegorge versus HA+HMG+GL marines. Ahhh that´s my kind of fight...
And before that, your trusty LMG-Pistol combo is better than most people realize against fades. Just_keep_the_gun_in_his_face. Hunt him down. All fades turn tails and run once you´ve pumped half a clip in them...that´s your cue to start ripping him a new one from behind.
Too many people duck in and out of cover, taking pot-shots. The fade will win every time in a sniping contest.
As long as your gorge webs the place down, the JPers won´t be the "end-all" either...
That said, there may be some balance issues in high person games with marines but who knows.