How To Counter Noobs.

DBZ_SuperGoku · February 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">So, getting stress over newbies?</div> I've find it quite frustruating working with noobs. But not all noobs are bad, the type of noobs that I tend to ignore are those who tell you to SUYF after you tried to help him out. Usually I would have to listen to useless arguement between a commander and a noob over their rights. It's just not worth risking ur sanity over it. Truely, they are probably from CS. But I've find working with some noobs to be quite a pleasant experience. Those type are usually from DOD where they have some basic teamwork skills. And damn some of these noobs know how to shoot, I mean I've seen a first day noob takin' out 4 aliens all by himself. ( one LMG for 2 aliens and he pick another 2 with a pistol)

I enjoy playing with those DOD type of noobs cause then after a few games, they will look after you and what do you get? A still-yet-a-noob but are more useful than some Expert who just wants it their way.

Anyway, I hope this help you guys out. I mean I've seen a lot of Commander cusses a lot, and I can't blame them. I mean at first when I start commanding I was just so **** at how dumb people can be. I still get mad from time to time but I tend to avoid argueing with the CS type noob.

Anyway, what have we learned really?

CS noobs = bad for your mental health, so avoid them at all costs.
DOD noobs = get you a friend who you can work with.

Peace, Sign. Urmm.. Hrmm which alias should I use... I'll go by urmm.. urmm.. arg.. so many urmm!! DOH!... Oh that's right, Bartman!!!

Niteowl · February 2003

let's not start this as a CS/NS flame fest.

i used to play CS, it was fun.

i'm sure these ppl are idiots in their own right, independent of CS.

Narf · February 2003

I don't think he's bashing the game itself, it's a problem with its community.
I noticed this too. About 50% of the newbies are semi-courtious and willing to learn from their team, and the other half are drooling morons who run around base asking for HA and a shotgun from the start of the game then proceed to die with it as soon as they exit the base. The best policy for everyone is to help the first kind as much as possible and ignore the second as much as possible.

Brass_Pigeon · February 2003

Although I don't like making generalisations I do have to agree: most DoD players are more usefull. I don't know wether the annoying noobs are from CS-heritage but from what I've experienced with CS it could be true but it's probably just a type of ppl that happen to be in both "communities"

Russian · February 2003

A funny thing happened to me. I was a comm on a map (dont remember the name - where the sewer is and generator hives are). Well, we started very well and quickly captured generator and siged the vent and controled those hives till the rest of the game. There were a few turning points during the game when i would forget to scan a hive location and they would build it and have fades (i dont make that mistake anymore though). So anyway, they quitly build a hive at vent and withing seconds destryed my siege turrtes so I (in total panic) order every1 to go to vent through pg. Noone listened exept one guy (god bless him). He was just around the corner and quitly built a siege turret for me and a new pg while aliens were busy taking on all the remaining still functional defences). We took vent back (i think they only had 1 fade or something so it wasnt that hard after all). Why they had only 1 fade is a long story.

WHAT **** ME OFF are some guys that were very close to vent, didnt even bother walking there and kept on asking me for siege turrets to blast through some useless tunnel full of some chambers. If i had a working mic on my headphones i would have shouted my head off but by anger connot be expressed beyond team chat messages. After we won that game the guy who kept on ignoring my orders (and i obviously was too busy to listen to his useless ideas) renamed his nick to 'i-hate-deff-comm' or smth like that (i was flattered). What i learned from this is dont waste your time on arguing with those kind of ppl (noob or not noob - it doesnt matter).

PS:
1) Sometimes i borrow my friends mic and commading is MUCH easier (coordinating the team and fells like more ppl listen to you).
2) Sorry for any mistakes (english isnt my first language)

NeoGregorian · February 2003

One thing that is worth mentioning is that some ppl get called n00bs without reason, cause they dont hear what ppl are saying over the mic. I had that problem once, i fixed it somehow (dunno, really) and now i can hear WHAT TO DO.
Then again if someone cannot hear what he is ordered to he should say (write) so ASAP!
That is if he can hear that the order is for him.

Maddok · February 2003

Okguys, if you really have to make generalizations lets go the whole football field here.

/notsoflamingflame on

Cs n00b: All the baad qualities of a CS player. none of the good. Bad aim, whiner, lamer, ramboist. These people are not always new to cs. these people could actually be designers of the origional cs for all I care. this could also be written as Cs |4m3r5

Cs Vet:Generally doesn't Follow Orders, is very accurate and kills things. Is teamwork friendly in a grunt based way (not for the team but for the people he's making a push with).

Cs Elite:Follows orders to the word. recognizes the importance of memorizing map layout. usually a good shot but not always (a headshot is no longer a headshot so it requres a different aiming skill than twitch).

HL n00b:Require some help understanding the halflife engine and generally cant shoot for sh** but they try to do something for the team by either two methods: building if they are someone who is going to get anywhere in the game or suiciding which is useful in its own way.

DoD:I dont like DOD. I dont know people who play DoD. Therefore these people must suck. hey, I'm allowed to generalize too <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Quake:Refer to DoD

Duke Nukem 3d:r0x0rs your b0x0rz. too old to matter here.

HPB: Because everyone these days has low pings or doesn't play, the **** are the high pingers. the people who through so much packet loss cannot hear your voicecoms. The cannon fodder that get to take 4-5 munches before their computer catches up and they die (making a useful decoy btw)

People who RTFM: The best players. These are the gods of most games. These people go through forums and pay attention to those small details in the games. These are the small minority of the people who waste their lives playing games, and if I fall under this category in the eyes of others then YAY! These people are the ones that get killed and (depending on their hl mod heritage) "OMG" "You hacker!" "ffs" "BS!!!!!!" "****" "damn!" and so on (cs community of which I'm proud to be apart of) but are thinking actively about "now how did the hit boxes affect how that worked?" "what does that teach me about the half life engine and it's net code?"

Lamers who RTFM: Still the best players, but these people exploit every possible thing they can in a game that just went gold. They crouch in the small vents to exploit hit boxes for melee. they build outside of the map just to prolong a lost game. NOTE: It is everyone's job to try and thwart these people. make their life a living hell. maybe you can make them quit NS altogether.

Last but not least:

People with a microphone: These people care enough about the game that they realize that more meaningful communication can go on over coms. I could seperate these people into humans and lamers once again but we have all experienced them all and I have been good and bad on voice com. be nice guys, if you are told to turn your mic down, or completely off then do so. you are probably causeing massive amounts ofunwonted noise without uttering a word into the mic. NOTE: These are the only people who can effectively command. you just cant type fast enough while playing a game to be commander. Try hooking up a voice recognition program to hl. its funny.

Everyone Else: The truly disrespected minority.

FIRE!!!!::asrifle:: <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'>
How Now Brown Cow? over and out!

Pege · February 2003

I tend to use these 3 rules to stop my game being destroyed by noobs:

1.) Go alien - Create more independence and rely less on teamwork. Become a hermit and don't care about other teammates.
2.) Go gorge - Best way to get the "gorge" to build the stuff you wan't.
3.) When you need to destroy something in your path to hives, go skulk yourself and do it. Ask other people to do it first (once or twice, don't spam), but since they don't, this is the most certain way to get the job done.

Pretty much all I can figure out to fix the situation and create as enjoyable game as possible.

Mythr1l · February 2003

always the great debate about CS noobs ect...

i've had the pleasure of knowing some really nice CS players in my time, and DOD players to. in every game there will always be people who set out just to make an arse of themselfs, rather than call them CS noobs i prefer the term "ignorant newbies". These are people who are noobs, but dont really want to learn about how to play the game just run off and get some action, the ones that sit moaning for jetpacks and hmgs at base untill they are either given or they start trying to eject the comm because he wont give. the same is also true of newbie gorges for aliens, the one who will gorg no matter what the whole team says, rather than the friendly newbie who will go back to skulk, and the next game ask for advice on how to be the class.

the best marines are the friendly noobs, cos they dont rambo and enjoy building things. following waypoints is fun.

MMZ_Torak · February 2003

Newbies are fine, n00bs should all be shot.

Read the sig <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

RyoOhki · February 2003

CS, once it went commerical, brought a lot of new players into a community that wasn't really ready to handle it. Trouble was, with all these new "customers" as opposed to "gamers" the developers were forced to listen to these new players and as a result the game went way downhill. I stopped playing a bit after 1.0 and havn't looked back. A lot of new players had gotten a taste for mods thanks to CS and spilled into the NS/DoD communities. Some of them are good. Others, are bad. Most just find themselves in an unfamilar envirnment and if you give them a few pointers they'll adjust fine. When you get guys who simply abuse you when you give them helpful advise then just stop trying. In the cut-throar world of NS gaming they'll either learn the very hard ay or stop playing. Either way works.
DoD players tend to work better because they're more used to working as a team. That's basically it I guess.
And lets remember that new players arn't the ones who lose games a lot of the time. I've seen veteren experianced players ignore orders from ther commander and just waltz off doing whatever the hell they like. I've seen verbal fights break out over who's going to gorge. It's not just new players that are the cause of all our woes. Help the ones who are consturctive. Ignore the abusive ones. And STOP CALLING THEM NOOBS OH I HATE THAT WORD.

*ahem*

A little venting there, my apologies. Flame away

Uh-Oh · February 2003

Best thing you can do:
-tell them they should maybe read the manual
-tell them to go to the forum on the www.natural-selection.org website and read the sticky threads.
-tell them to read the F.A.Q.s
-give em pointers

IF they have the following characteristics (spelling?) chances are, it ain't worth it:
-They have "lame" nicknames (like SupaCock, Satan's_Living_Vagina, U_are_fuckmoronbiatch, etc... )
-They keep spamming the chat with messages you can't even understand (MARNIES RAE AT TEH THIG BITACH!?%")
-They insult everyone
-They have a high "n00bie" factor
-They are under 18 years old (you will still get immature 25 years old, but most of the "immature" players are 13-14. I mean no offense to people under 18, don't take this the wrong way).

Anyways, the best you can do is to be polite. If they start an argument, or insult you, just don't go there.

Pod · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Feb 7 2003, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> . And STOP CALLING THEM NOOBS OH I HATE THAT WORD.
 </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
i second that appeal. whatever happened to "newbie"

Revenant · February 2003

You may have wrote no offense but British/English kids will take offense, as I am on that falls in to the Teenager category (14), all our mates at school (ranges from 13-17) play big games of cs and tfc, none of them seem to be what Uh-Oh said was n00bish, so maybe its me or its the americans causing trouble? I know us biritsh can be right **** sometimes, but hey, theres always the EU to blame it on.

EDIT - Really most of the 200 people that play across our school should be your description of n00b, but coming from a rough area it is seemingly pleasent when playing half-life over the internet.

trav · February 2003

people with mic's seem to have about the same newbierate as people without mics. plus a **** with a microphone is more noticable, you know. the voice, the insults, the stupid laugh. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU MIC A LAUGH!?!? i've even heard these morons use the mic to communicate "uhhhhhhhhhh..."

Xzilen · February 2003

Goku, cool to see you here man. Hope to see you on vadas again soon.

NeoGregorian · February 2003

The very sad truth is:
The n00bs are here to stay (or at least, they wont start comin)

Since this is a game of strategy tactics and skill, and the greater majority of new players dont like reading up on things and like being bossed around. Eventually they will learn.
But for each that actually does there comes new players and old players quit.

Its not a simple game. But its great, provided you learn a variety of skills

TeoH · February 2003

This thread is the most ironic page on teh intarweb

CadaverBoy · February 2003

Your not alone Revenant, 13 here, and I as well am sick of noobs, in the negative sense of the word.

I am a CS newb. I have aprx. 10 hours of gameplay time, about 5-6 games, and I have not lost one. I began as Kharaa, expecting 'teamwork' on the marine side to be as 'teamwork' from CS, namely being non-existant, and even if the aliens had the slightest notion of teamwork, we'd take over. Then I tried marines. 4 players on marines, 1 commander, and one person that sat around the base asking for ammo. The other marine and I were decked out with HA/HMG and destroying everything, while the lesser end of the team went rambo on the hive, after discovering he could get his own ammo, and the commander asked him not to do that, and thus, gave him his gear again. Again, our friend, rushes the hive as asked not to do, and finds our commander won't re-equipt him!
After excessive swearing.. He leaves the game, putting the task of building 2 seige towers outside the enemy hive to us. As we switch out, guarding and building, as well as repairing each other. We finally get the base built, the seige cannons going off, and we form a heavy armor wall. Nothing gets past us, and in a few moments, the hive is down and side-by-side we march in and destroy the remaining skulks.

Noobs are new players who know everything.
Newbs are new players who want to learn everything <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

relsan · February 2003

I tend to think of (my definition of) n00bs as not just the inexperienced, but ALSO the hard headed players who are not willing to try new things or listen to others and AT LEAST CONSIDER what they have to say. So I have no sympathy for them, and I will call out a n00b if I see one.

Oh and I think everyone forgot to mention the TF and RA n00bs that swear by a rocket launcher addition to the game.

oy...

Urza · February 2003

Well, we need noobs to keep the community alive, and they might even come in with new ideas and strategies. The bets thing to do is, I think, to introduce a friend to NS. I tried it with two ppl, one guy from CS and one who didnt have HL, and they did really great actually. Because:
1) If they don't know what to do, which they don't, they do as you tell them to do
2) After a while, they will do automatically what you would like them to do. They are predictable <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

I dontmind about the shooting/ biting skills, it is far more important to know
1) who to fight
2) where to fight
3) when to fight
4) when to stop fighting
5) the reason to fight

When you decide what to do, you win, no matter how bad you are at shooting. And when you tell this to noobs, they are way better than the average player

juice · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (trav @ Feb 8 2003, 09:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU MIC A LAUGH!?!?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Because it's a game: i.e. meant to be fun. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Faded_Tiger · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kilmster @ Feb 6 2003, 11:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Please, stop this comparing of NS to CS to DOD to Quake3 to Doom2 (<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>)  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Why compare it to those games when we all know it really is PACMAN in another form... running around corridors being chased by monsters after power pods....

Tell me I am wrong!!! Flay, did ya play pacman when you was young? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Trevelyan_006 · February 2003

one thing... noobs that want to learn everything eventually turn into newbies (IE people not uber leet, but can still function in this game)

two i am up to here with noobs **Climbs to highest known location and holds hand above head while jumping** and have looked and looked for a mostly non noob server and guess what, i found one, and the games i play there are the best expiriences with NS ever! While searching for a good server i happened upon a fellow also looking for a good server, and he decided to comm a game (best way to test the Noobness of the server) and his marines were running everywhere but their waypoints and i could hear hinm tear his hair out of his scalp over the voice comm... he continuously answered questions about the game, told people what to do, his strat, what guns do what... i mean it was a elementry school playing on their lan i swear to god!!!! after many attempts to get more then one marine doing something positive (IE: me) he just quit... and i dont blame him, good players are not THAT responsible for teaching noobs, but it happens alot on servers most of you do not play on, i am just trying to let you all know what pains some of us teachers go through to turn a Noob into a decent player...

How To Counter Noobs.

Comments