<whine>i Can't Play Without My Clan!</whine>

c0brac0bra Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7546Members
<div class="IPBDescription">I'll kick people if I have to!</div> So I was playing a small game with some guys from DW and I was on their team, the aliens were all nonclanners and one of their clanmates was in the ready room. He couldn't join up with his clan buddies because of the uneven teams so what does he do? He vote_kicks me.

Now I'm sitting here thinking "Why on Earth would I want to be on a clan with a guy who is so reliant on having teammates be his "comfort blanket" that he can't play with other people?" I used to play in clans all the time and if the teams were uneven I would be the first to switch.

Not only that but it seems like lots of clan people will lose the game for their team. Almost every server out there will, a lot of times, have 3 or 4 clan people on one team and they'll screw around and chat and ruin it for everyone else because they aren't dedicated and don't care about having a good game.

I say, if you're going to do that, stick to your own clan servers. Don't populate the normal servers with your crap, there isn't room for it.

On the other hand there are good clans who actually play right and will even teams and I have a lot of fun with them because they communicate and listen and work as a team, the purpose of HAVING a clan in the first place.

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Comments

  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
    edited February 2003
    well i personally know everyone in my clan, (pimp <a href='http://www.clan-ng18.da.ru' target='_blank'>www.clan-ng18.da.ru</a>) its just not as fun without my m8s man :/. Though agreed I have no qualms about balancing teams I still prefer to be on a side with my friends.
  • c0brac0bra Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7546Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--ZiGGY^+Feb 5 2003, 08:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZiGGY^ @ Feb 5 2003, 08:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well i personally know everyone in my clan, (pimp <a href='http://www.clan-ng18.da.ru' target='_blank'>www.clan-ng18.da.ru</a>) its just not as fun without my m8s man :/. Though agreed I have no qualms about balancing teams I still prefer to be on a side with my friends. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Would you kick me in order to be on their team?
  • sekdarsekdar Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9564Members
    i don't know. i've always enjoyed playing <i>against</i> fellow clan members as much as i do with them.

    nothing wrong with some friendly rivalry <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Team stacking (a clan joining one team on a pub server) is generally considered LAME and is against the rules on many servers.

    When you're playing pub, don't insist on being on the same team as the rest of your clan. Split the clan between marines and aliens. (Obviously if you can't due to team balance limits then just join whatever team you can)
  • Chopper_Dave1Chopper_Dave1 Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2353Members
    It's all a matter of finding the right server.

    On the (clan) public server I play on, the resident clanners ALWAYS go autoteam, as do all the server regulars. It's not unusual for the clan members to be spread out over both teams, along with the more experienced players. As a result, all the games over there are wicked sweet - nothing like playing a game with team players against other equally good team players, but with the unpredibility of not knowing just who you'll get on the team. Some of us know each other so well that we end up playing our game strategies off each other's strengths and weaknesses, and the way the game flows is completely changed by the types of players on the team (some teams work better with JP's, others with HA's, etc). It's really cool =).

    If the server you're playing on has lame clanstackers, then just find another server. No need to let them have any fun off of you <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->. Look for a cool server with some cool regulars - they are out there.
  • MavericMaveric Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Members
    for the reason you stated is like saying "get outta there, its my spot! <i>i was here first!</i> (s/he moans)" when s/he obviously was not.

    <i>people are stupid and take the quickest route. impatient drivers exhibit this trait the most.</i>

    s/he could've gone on the alien team, asked you to switch, and you would respond in kind. (thats how i'd have done it, if i were him or you.)


    being mean is never excusable. and most prominently never polite. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Silver_FoxSilver_Fox Spammer Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 34Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I always enjoy playing on the same team as my friends, but its even more fun at times to be on the oposite team and just kick their **** ..

    LANs are the best .. cause you can smack talk without having to stop and type ..

    ^_^
  • DriftwoodDriftwood Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8245Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--c0bra+Feb 6 2003, 04:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (c0bra @ Feb 6 2003, 04:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So I was playing a small game with some guys from DW and I was on their team, the aliens were all nonclanners and one of their clanmates was in the ready room. He couldn't join up with his clan buddies because of the uneven teams so what does he do? He vote_kicks me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If it was Badlands, it is their server. I have never personally seen DW stacking into the other team so my guess is they wanted to try out something practicelike without shutting the server from others in the process. I dunno. Shouldn't be such a big deal.
  • Mr_BanksMr_Banks Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13071Members
    I've played on the Badlands now and then and i too witnessed this once, people were stacking on marines and one of them started kicking people cos he wanted to be on marines too. But i've had some good games with them, so i'm not going to stop playing there.
  • IdenIden Join Date: 2002-10-16 Member: 1513Members
    I suppose it depends. Sometimes you want to play with your friends and sometimes you want dominate them.

    If it's just two people joining I see no reason why it can't go either way, as for being specific about clans I think you should broaden it to "friends". Let's be reailstic, not all clans are top dogs. Alot are just friends who are getting together for some fun.
  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    It's fun to kick your own clanmates' ****!

    I try to go random, or if there's a few of us on the server, have 2 go Aliens and 2 go Marines to keep it balanced, something like that. Unless it was supposed to be something like a practice, I don't think he should've kicked you. Coulda joined the game and asked, or something.
  • JimJim Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9989Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Duff-Man+Feb 6 2003, 06:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Duff-Man @ Feb 6 2003, 06:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I try to go random <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <i>everyone</i> should go random <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SuperMunchkinSuperMunchkin Join Date: 2002-09-28 Member: 1364Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Kilmster+Feb 6 2003, 04:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kilmster @ Feb 6 2003, 04:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    why don't you just go spam yourself into some traffic? -.-



    ^^


    Anyhow, Team-stacking is pretty fruity; especially from one of the top European clans.

    Irregardless of having fun with your friends; what the hell is the point of playing a game where it is clan vs newbies?

    Are they TRYING to ruin the game for the other team? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And your post was any less spam material? You've simply reworded what's already been said: Clan stacking on Pubs isn't fun/it's lame. And you asked a pointless rhetorical question.

    SilverFox on the other hand is simply being social- you know, friendly. This IS a community after all.

    Personally I agree with Fox- playing with is as fun as against my clanmates and it makes little difference to me. We recently got our own Server up and running so we can teamstack all we like there =P Even though we don't (often).

    On a simular note: I was on a public server of some sort playing one of the Missle Command maps- and by that time 4 or so of my clan-mates had found me on GameTiger and joined the server. We were split up on teams and were just enjoying playing with each other. Yet suddenly we started getting kicked by an admin simply because we were a clan. I rejoined trying to ask why I was kicked and he had just finished typing "ANY OTHER CLANS HERE WANNA GET KICKED??"

    Some people are just rude. Anyway, I found out our server was up and running finally, so now we play happily there.

    [SoM]BlindGuardian (perviously SuperMunchkin, and long ago druing 1.0 I was SaiSaishi)
    www.sonsofmetal.org
    206.194.126.198
    Come play with us.
  • USCMLieutenant_RipleyUSCMLieutenant_Ripley Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9818Members
    No offense but there is no fun at all playing with newbs. Clanmates typically know what they are doing and we respect each other. I dont respect most pub players. Clanmates dont play together to get the win, but to have more fun. You dont like it because you dont have a group you trust. That's your problem. Now clanmembers just go under different names. Do any of you feel better? It's ridiculous to mandate "what's fair" for other people and throwing specious arguments like "it's lame cause all they want to do is win". Save some bandwidth and quit these pointless threads.
  • SmithboySmithboy Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10964Members
    edited February 2003
    I know I like to sit in the ready room and see if one of the doors is clogged with a bunch of people, then i join the other team.

    Hey SoM I saw your server and nobody's playing <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--[USCM]Lieutenant Ripley+Feb 6 2003, 09:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([USCM]Lieutenant Ripley @ Feb 6 2003, 09:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No offense but there is no fun at all playing with newbs. Clanmates typically know what they are doing and we respect each other. I dont respect most pub players. Clanmates dont play together to get the win, but to have more fun. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No offense, but many clanners are morons. They think that somehow because they joined some clan they're better then all the pubbers. News for you, there are good and bad clanners just like there are good and bad pubbers.

    To make it worse, you say you teamstack so that you can have more fun? How is it more fun? If they give you a good fight, your assumption that pubbers are all newbs is wrong. If they don't give you a good fight, then where's the fun?

    Not only that, but you may actually IMPROVE your clan by playing against your clanmates. By examining their techniques from the enemy point of view, you may learn something new.
  • Canadianmonk3yCanadianmonk3y Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8465Members
    Problem is that the ratio of being good and in a clan are MUCH higher rather than the chances of a pubber being good.
  • NecroNecro &lt;insert non-birthday-related title here&gt; Join Date: 2002-08-09 Member: 1118Members
    we do "stack" but it's not often and 99% of the time its like DW vs another clan + some nonclanners
  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Canadianmonk3y+Feb 6 2003, 10:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Canadianmonk3y @ Feb 6 2003, 10:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Problem is that the ratio of being good and in a clan are MUCH higher rather than the chances of a pubber being good. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Prove it. This is simply an assumption that you and others have made without any proof whatsoever. My personal belief is that the skill level in clans is similar to the skill level outside and that the team familiarity is the difference.
  • USCMLieutenant_RipleyUSCMLieutenant_Ripley Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9818Members
    If you dont believe clan members are any better than random Bill pubber, then what does team stacking mean? Your low (or should I say non-) opinion of clans is laughable and altogether irrelevant to the discussion. If it doesnt matter, then why is it being called a faux pas?
  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    hey, I'm not in a clan, even though my tag suggests it, does that mean I'm a faker? No, it's my name. What about CS'ers that make up clan tags so that they can cheat and not be accused (or just so that they won't get auto-kicked the second they (a newbie) join)?

    Being in a clan isn't all it's cut up to be, I've been in one and only one, and doubt I'll ever play games competitively. I don't see much money in it, and I have fun with people I play in pubs with, but sometimes I wanna personally reach through the computer and show them just how useful punching them in the face would be to me. erm, yeah.

    This isn't a clan vs pubbers topic, guys. This is more a team-stacking issue, discourtesy of server deal. All you clanners out there, great, glad you're in a clan, hope you learn something new about the game this week. All you pubbers, the same. Silly argument guys.
  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--[USCM]Lieutenant Ripley+Feb 7 2003, 01:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([USCM]Lieutenant Ripley @ Feb 7 2003, 01:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you dont believe clan members are any better than random Bill pubber, then what does team stacking mean? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    (Points above to his post)
    <b>the team familiarity is the difference. </b>
  • StoneburgStoneburg Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
    It's just people showing their age. Kids in clans value theír own fun a lot higher then others. This is the main reason playing on most pubs or clan servers is unbearable. The reason we don't have "clan stacking" on our server (as Chopper Dave mentioned) is that:

    1. Our average age is around 30

    2. We realize it is more fun with even teams

    3. We're not a clan <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->



    ***DISCLAIMER***

    I'm not saying all young players are punks but this whole "me me me!" attitude is mostly prevalent among younger gamers.
  • Teufel_EldritchTeufel_Eldritch Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 124Members
    Yea but the server you are talking about is the CoFR server. OF COURSE you are going to find maturity and good sportmanship there. Duhhh! No brainer! Most servers are not like that however.
  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    Clans, in general, are better then pubs. By stacking your clan on one team, you are effectivly putting a clan team (in part, or in whole, depening on the number) aginst a pub team. Expecting a pub to play as well as a clan is wrong and unfair.

    In addition, by stacking your clan on one team, you are stating that you do not feel good enough to beat members of your own clan, and instead want to pick on pub players, who are probally inferior to you in skill.

    This is rather bad in T2, as one clanner can stack a team simply by being either a mortar spammer or a flagger, thusly causing the other team to leave. This is the only game I've seen where one person can so drastically affect a game, besides CS.

    But I degress.

    Anyway, don't clan stack, please. The pub players who play games other then NS and want to have a good game appricate it.
  • statusqstatusq Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12142Members
    Have to add few things:
    First, Badlands of DW is the best server I have ever seen, and its admins always notify us players if they are having a practice or clanmatch. Then they will wait a moment so everyone disconnects on their own before setting password. They are polite.
    Second, if you are kicked because of 'team stacking' whatever, it is rare. Have never seen anyone been kicked from that server.

    And yes, I am from Finland <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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