Ns_napo_b3... Its Back

Asraniel · February 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">and give it a chance, its a good map</div> Hello... 2 weeks ago i released ns_napo_b2, but nearly nobody downloaded it or told me if it was good. Now i release a new version, ns_napo_b3.

I have redone the lightning
i added ambience sound
the marine spawn is redone
a new way from marine spawn to water hive
many new details
etc...

take a look, i like the new version(of course i like it.. its my map, who wouldnt say that from his map). Please, i need feedback for the deadline....

<a href='http://www.swissfighters.ch/Asraniel/ns_napo_b3.zip' target='_blank'>http://www.swissfighters.ch/Asraniel/ns_napo_b3.zip</a>

and here some screenshots, just 3 random one and as always, it looks better ingame

<a href='http://www.swissfighters.ch/Asraniel/ns_napo_b3_marine.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.swissfighters.ch/Asraniel/ns_na...o_b3_marine.jpg</a>
<a href='http://www.swissfighters.ch/Asraniel/ns_napo_b3_random.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.swissfighters.ch/Asraniel/ns_na...o_b3_random.jpg</a>
<a href='http://www.swissfighters.ch/Asraniel/ns_napo_b3_hallway.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.swissfighters.ch/Asraniel/ns_na..._b3_hallway.jpg</a>

edit/Update:
if someone is interested... <a href='http://www.swissfighters.ch/Asraniel/final/ns_napo.zip' target='_blank'>http://www.swissfighters.ch/Asraniel/final/ns_napo.zip</a> the one i submitted to flayra.. doors, a new way(better balancing)in overall better...

Revenant · February 2003

After looking at only the screenshots, I've noticed an error or 3.

1. It should be 'Control Room' not 'Controll Room' (Simple Spelling Mistake)
2. I have noticed you aren't using textured lighting
3. Not many light sources? (e.g. Not many light textures near the point of the light)

To say the least I'm glad you've continued your development, I reckon if you used textured lighting and sent in the map to Flayra+Dev. Team + Playtesters you got a good chance of getting another bit closer to an official NS Map.

Asraniel · February 2003

Yes, your right, thats the last point i have to learn (i dont realy know how texture lightning works... but i learn very fast). Well... excuse the Spelling mistake.. im swiss and english isnt my first language (first is german, second is french and only after that comes english)

Revenant · February 2003

I got a lights.rad you could use, it has my custom textures in it (1 or 2) just delete them from it. although it will work with them still in. just add the file (lights.rad) into the directory of ur hlrad.exe, overwrite if it asks.

j0e · February 2003

err, i have napo running on my server ... should i replace it with this one?

Revenant · February 2003

the answer for joe is . . . YES

Asraniel · February 2003

of course.. this version is much better (at least i think so.. had not a single feedback until now except that i should make a little thing with the lightning, but i knew that before i released it)

eaglec · February 2003

I had ns_napo a few weeks back but it was most definatly premature for release... hopefully this one is a little better <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

I'll be running it on my server for the next 6-12 hours

Eaglec - NS v1.04
eaglec.homedns.org:27105

Asraniel · February 2003

eaclec.. wich version of my map are you running? make shure that you have the ns_napo_b3 (link above) and its also called like that

eaglec · February 2003

Oops ! Still had the old ns_napo in the maps list. I have removed that and now the server is most definately running the right version.
Thanks for the heads up!

eaglec · February 2003

Nice map - as I mentioned when we were playing. It would be nice if you could line up a few of those broken floor textures before the final and the wall grates near the hive. Also some of the doorways would look nicer with a frame to seperate the room from the corridor.
One last thing - I noticed a couple of times when I dropped health and a jetpack on the sloped bit just outside CC they sunk throught the floor, can this be fixed as it's right in the marines base so is bould to cause irritation.

Overall a very nice map though and it will stay in my map rotation. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Asraniel · February 2003

common.. i need more feedback, i need feedback that my map becomes better and its good enough for the deadline.... please (and its a good map to play, i played it now on a server)

Ollj · February 2003

aaaah napo, the first NS custom map that was released.
I really hated the fact that the marine spawn had just 2 entrances leading to the same room wich is the double res. This made gameplay boring.
The other fact was that with more than 5 ppl on each side Marines always won.
Great that this changed (aliens now have great hiding places and such).

Apart from some missing Eye-Candy (europa is full of this) its a nice map with good solid 3d-architecture that has some special places (new tactic and teamplay possibilities) all over it.
the northeast hive looks like it has a damaged particle system in the water. i just see one prite glowing.
the souteast hive has an optical bug with the water ending at a black wall (behind a grate) while the whole other wall is bright.

Asraniel · February 2003

hehe *g*.. ok, i will change it... the "damged" particle system is just a func glow... i wasent shure if i should ad it, because the light is under the water... and i found it funny.. i will remove it.

and the black wall... well.. ok, i had not so much choice.. i gona make it a little bit longer so that you cannot see the black texture

Asraniel · February 2003

well... i gona sleep now.. download my map and tell my what you think... i mean, i have 2 weeks time to make my map better... tell me what you want!! please...

good n8

Revenant · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>aaaah napo, the first NS custom map that was released</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I believe ns_next was the first custom map to be released, way early during the NSTR.

Asraniel · February 2003

yes.. i also think next was here early.. but as far as i remember napo was the first playable custom map.. or im wrong? i dont realy remember. (the only thing i remember is, my first map ns_underworld was the first news on rr.org... im proud of it)

Asraniel · February 2003

one question... should i make doors on the left side of the marine start? would that be ok for you? i think then the problem of those lerks and fades would be gone and i dont have to rebuild all that...

second question, should i make a door on both ends of that hallway or only on the marine end? i think only on the marine end

third question, should i make doors in my map? or do you think doors are... evil?

Eternal_Bliss · February 2003

doors are good...
maybe you should put doors, like in ns_eclipse <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

eaglec · February 2003

I think doors can be a good thing if intelligently placed. As a rough guide where you change floor texture I would expect a doorway of some sort,

btw - I didn't notice many (any?) weldables on the map when I played...

Asraniel · February 2003

well.. give me a idea where i could add a weldable.. i dont see a inteligent place.. maybe i can make one.. but actualy i have no idea

ChromeAngel · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Revenant @ Feb 2 2003, 10:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>aaaah napo, the first NS custom map that was released</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I believe ns_next was the first custom map to be released, way early during the NSTR.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Actually it was the (god aweful) ns_one that was released first. ns_napo might have been the first after the release of NS verison 1.

Back on-topic.

Texture alignments, Light sources that are unlit, the env_glows in the sewer and the lack of door frames have all been mentioned. I just thought i'd say that I had noted all these during my walkthough.

I'd also like to request trim where vent's emerge from the wall (should be flush with the wall surface, just textured to look like it's got a border). I'd also like so see the swags of cables hanging from the ceiling to be invisible to the commander.

I loaded up the previous ns_napo by accident and ran around that first, so Ican really appreciate all the really good changes you have made in this release. I Like what you've done with the lighting.

Asraniel · February 2003

Thank you very much for your feedback. I dont know what ive done wrong, but there must be something. Everyone that played with me on a server told me that the map is very good, but they also gave me some little things to change and they are all done now.

Please, tell me what i should change that the map can go official, im shure there are some things that you dont like. Is it to dark? some people say its perfect, some say its too dark(i guess its they fault, they should ajust theyr settings). But when its too dark tell me where. When you dont like a room tell me... i have nothing to do!! for me my map is ok as it is and i have no work to do.. but i want to make my map better. It takes you 10 min to download and wander around or hope that there is just a server that is running it. thx

j0e · February 2003

asraniel, as soon as i get home (tomorrow) i will put b3 on my custom maps server. i have a very vocal (at times too vocal <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'> ) community of regular players on my forums, so if you ask for feedback ( htp://forums.joe.to ) i promise you will get some <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> they have been playing ns_napo for a week though, so make sure you explicitly state you want feedback on <b>B3</b>

joe

Eternal_Bliss · February 2003

i personally don't like the long corridor leading to marines base, if you build in that area, fade/lerk can take it out with no problem since turrets won't get to them, so it makes your base smaller..
maybe make a lift or something?

Asraniel · February 2003

Offtopic: i released it a few weeks before the first deadline

ok, i gonna do all that, thx for the feedback, now i have enoug work to do something

Revenant · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Actually it was the (god aweful) ns_one that was released first</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I had that once, man it was worse than when Next and Napo first came out! Next has been now left in the dark, and napo is progessing well <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> Personally I think the layout in some areas of next is good, just not the map itself. BTW Asraniel, nice map. Maybe a bit bland in areas, more detail?

Asraniel · February 2003

i working on it...

im right when im say that there is no way to make my wires that are func_ilusionary invisible for the commander? because i want that they are func_ilusionary so that the lerk and the skulk have no problem with em.....

ImaTarget · February 2003

yes, you are right, func_seethrough doesn´t have a rendermode yet and is solid. (like solid/texture whatever) and you can´t have other entitys seethrough for the commander. only way to do it would be to put a null texture on the side facing the commander. i had to do that with some transparent hive textures on the ceiling. may be a tad weird for someone who is behind it but there is no other way that i know of.

CallMessiah · February 2003

Actually that is not correct, you can make func_illusionaries invisible for the commander by checking the inv_from_top flag.
Concerning the map, sorry to say, but I haven't found the time to test it, but I sure will.

Asraniel · February 2003

thx, thats great!!!!

Ns_napo_b3... Its Back

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