Remove Cheating Death, Its For Nubs
Robot_Frank
Join Date: 2003-01-20 Member: 12523Members
Join Date: 2003-01-20 Member: 12523Members
<div class="IPBDescription">why it sucks</div> A) Cheating death hasn't worked, I've seen people in CS with CD on and getting 7 headshots in a row from the respawn.
B) If you join a CD server without a CD running, it makes an error that makes you restart your computer. THanks cd!
Remove this asap, its more grief than it's worth, just wait til 1.1 and it'll be all better.
-Robot Frank
B) If you join a CD server without a CD running, it makes an error that makes you restart your computer. THanks cd!
Remove this asap, its more grief than it's worth, just wait til 1.1 and it'll be all better.
-Robot Frank
Comments
Well,
a) Cheating-Death has recently been released in a new version that support mods that hasnt VAC support. Its does NOT support mods that has VAC support (CS n DoD).
b) If you join a server with CD and you dont have the Client, theres two outcomes.
1. The server requier CD and you'll get kick, nothing more.
2. The server doesnt requier CD and you nick will be change so it adds the tag [NO-CD] infront of you nick, nothing more.
It works flawless on my server so I'm keeping it until further notice.
Well,
a) Cheating-Death has recently been released in a new version that support mods that hasnt VAC support. Its does NOT support mods that has VAC support (CS n DoD).
b) If you join a server with CD and you dont have the Client, theres two outcomes.
1. The server requier CD and you'll get kick, nothing more.
2. The server doesnt requier CD and you nick will be change so it adds the tag [NO-CD] infront of you nick, nothing more.
It works flawless on my server so I'm keeping it until further notice.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree. I also asked Flayra if it was alright to run as a beta server op with the beta releases, and he said it was perfectly fine as long as it didn't interfere with my beta testing. So I'm not going to get in trouble or anything. (Always check with the boss first, right!)
Less llamas have been joining, now it's people who CARE. C-D works much better than HLGuard / VAC presently, but once NS gets VAC support, there won't be anymore C-D use with NS, which is a bummer, in my opinion, as C-D is much more effective at blocking cheats from being used.
I have not actually used the program on my server so I make no argument as to it's effectiveness compared to VAC.
If this phoenix thing is going to require updates that can't be automated in some way then I would REALLY prefer to keep it from being integrated directly into mods.
And Phoneix is going to be a selfupdating program so you dont have to think about it.
Hopefully they will release it soon so Flayra can put it in 1.1.
I also use CD in my server in optional mode, till more NSers get it installed. About half my server now has CD installed, once I see about 3/4s of the people using CD, I will set it to required.
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Cough. I never said it did, but for about 2 months 3/4 of the CS servers that I played in had CD, and seeing someone that obviously hacks in a CD server with CD Was really pathetic. I shouldn't have to explain myself, and sorry, no one says nubble but you, n00blet <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
PS....if all servers are going to get CD this go around, I dont mind DL'ing it, so much as it works. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
-Robot Frank
It does work if the clients have CD cleint installed and running.
Cough. I never said it did, but for about 2 months 3/4 of the CS servers that I played in had CD, and seeing someone that obviously hacks in a CD server with CD Was really pathetic.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
CD and OGC were in a back-and-forth battle for months. This was roughly a year ago; VAC went in about the end of March, IIRC. Comparing CD now to its state 12 months ago is a completely worthless effort. No cookie for you.
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Yes, you should. We're not omniscient, or even merely psychic or telepathic. A normal reader would assume "Cheating death hasn't worked, I've seen people in CS with CD on and getting 7 headshots in a row from the respawn." to indicate recent events. Little did we know that you were speaking about the state of affairs over a year ago.
Also anyone that thinks VAC doesn't work is out to lunch or hasn't played at a time when there wasn't a good anticheat solution. (can anyone say OGC which was a pain in the butt for months and months) Yes there are some cheaters still in CS, but compared to the number of cheaters when VAC wasn't there (between the time PunkBuster stopped being supported, and when VAC came out) its not that bad.
Even if VAC only got rid of OGC, then it is worth it, as that cheat was the one that allowed any moron to use cheats without really knowing what they were doing.
Here is what happened.
Punkbuster stopped a large number of cheaters.
Punkbuster was no longer supported by Valve. Tons of cheaters show up.
CSGuard (what is now HLGuard) and a few other anti-cheats come out. Cheaters drop in numbers at each update to the software, and increase as new cheats come out that have work arounds.
Cheating Death comes out and pretty much prevents cheaters.
VAC comes out and Cheating Death stops updating their software for CS.
Cheaters disapper, and slowly come back until VAC is updated.
The problem now is, as someone pointed out, that there havn't been any recent updates to VAC, so there are more and more cheats that slip by. I run a CS server with VAC and HLGuard, and I catch the odd cheater with them. My admins catch a few that arn't detected, and I am sure some slip through the cracks.
I don't know if VAC or the United Admin team is the better solution, but they are two very diffeant solutions. (as I say, cheating death isn't meant to detect cheats, but to prevent their use, while VAC detects cheaters, and actually will disable their wonid from working on other servers as well. -and I have been running VAC since it started, and anytime VAC has done false bans, they always catch it and correct it within a day or so. When that did happen, I would just restart the server with VAC off until they fixed thigns up.)