Degasi survivors were really dumb?
kingdoo10
UK Join Date: 2017-01-20 Member: 226989Members
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I have never understood the Degasi survivors and their dumb survival choices. They chose to make their first base on the floating Island. Ok makes sense sensible suggestion. They then found out that they didn't have enough food and so decided to set up a base in the Jelly Shroom Caves. Ok understandable they didn't have enough food fine. But, they chose to set up in the Jelly Shroom Caves when you have the extreme danger of the Crab Snake. Ok I guess you could say that you may not know straight away that Reefbacks are actually friendly creatures and that is why the didn't set up a base in the Grassy Plateaus. But either way setting up in a cave like that seems dumb to me.
Furthermore, they then set up their base in the Deep Grand Reef which to me seems even more dumb. No wonder they didn't survive and were killed by a Leviathan. I still wonder why they never died from the Crab Squids or Warpers within the Deep Grand Reef.
Moreover, ok setting up in the Jelly Shroom Caves isn't awful I guess definitely safer than a lot of other biomes. But what I don't understand is they are literally a couple 100 meters from the Safe Shallows. Like why did they never set up a base there. Ok they would need a larger base than the player does but looking at the Jelly Shroom and the Deep Grand Reef bases which were quite small, they easily could have set up a base in the deeper regions of the Safe Shallows.
I think maybe more information needs to be given about the past. Although it's only like 10 years since the events of the Degasi crew so not much could have changed surely, other than where the Crash Site biome is and probably the Crag Field as well. But for the majority of biomes and the creatures within them would still be the same not enough time has passed for them to have evolved. Although I guess a few creatures could have been made extinct from the carar bacteria?
I understand for story and game mechanics it is more interesting to make them set up bases in the less safe environments like the Jelly Shroom Caves and Deep Grand Reef. Their purpose is to make it difficult for the player to scan things like the water filtration unit for example. But... I think maybe there should be a basic base within the Safe Shallows or Grassy Plateaus. Possibly giving you very vital early game technology. For example, replacing the battery charger fragments in the wrecks in the Grassy Plateous. Maybe even making lockers in this base having to be scanned or something. Maybe it could be said that they ended up using the habitat builder to debuild a lot of the base, as it became clear that the Safe Shallows didn't have enough food to survive. Or maybe, they suggest that they should set up habitats in the Jelly Shroom Caves and eventually the Deep Grand Reef, maybe Marguerit could persuade Paul by saying that they could observe the creatures, take photos with the camera drones and stuff and as such make a lot of money if they end up leaving the planet.
The only reason I could think of going down that far is if they found out about the infection. But from the PDA's we only find out that they knew they were infected with the carar once in the Grand Reef, there was no need to go that far deep into unsafe territories unless they found the Mountain Island and found out about the Disease Reasearch Facility.
Furthermore, they then set up their base in the Deep Grand Reef which to me seems even more dumb. No wonder they didn't survive and were killed by a Leviathan. I still wonder why they never died from the Crab Squids or Warpers within the Deep Grand Reef.
Moreover, ok setting up in the Jelly Shroom Caves isn't awful I guess definitely safer than a lot of other biomes. But what I don't understand is they are literally a couple 100 meters from the Safe Shallows. Like why did they never set up a base there. Ok they would need a larger base than the player does but looking at the Jelly Shroom and the Deep Grand Reef bases which were quite small, they easily could have set up a base in the deeper regions of the Safe Shallows.
I think maybe more information needs to be given about the past. Although it's only like 10 years since the events of the Degasi crew so not much could have changed surely, other than where the Crash Site biome is and probably the Crag Field as well. But for the majority of biomes and the creatures within them would still be the same not enough time has passed for them to have evolved. Although I guess a few creatures could have been made extinct from the carar bacteria?
I understand for story and game mechanics it is more interesting to make them set up bases in the less safe environments like the Jelly Shroom Caves and Deep Grand Reef. Their purpose is to make it difficult for the player to scan things like the water filtration unit for example. But... I think maybe there should be a basic base within the Safe Shallows or Grassy Plateaus. Possibly giving you very vital early game technology. For example, replacing the battery charger fragments in the wrecks in the Grassy Plateous. Maybe even making lockers in this base having to be scanned or something. Maybe it could be said that they ended up using the habitat builder to debuild a lot of the base, as it became clear that the Safe Shallows didn't have enough food to survive. Or maybe, they suggest that they should set up habitats in the Jelly Shroom Caves and eventually the Deep Grand Reef, maybe Marguerit could persuade Paul by saying that they could observe the creatures, take photos with the camera drones and stuff and as such make a lot of money if they end up leaving the planet.
The only reason I could think of going down that far is if they found out about the infection. But from the PDA's we only find out that they knew they were infected with the carar once in the Grand Reef, there was no need to go that far deep into unsafe territories unless they found the Mountain Island and found out about the Disease Reasearch Facility.
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Wait... All this time the Water Filtration Machine fragments have been in the Jellyshroom cave base?? I've been driving myself mad exploring every wreck and biome trying to find them; I've ended up having to cheat them in via console commands every update...
More to your original point, I can't really understand why they would build bases so deep in the JSC and DGR. The PDA entries we find indicate they had just enough salvage to build their island bases with some planters; if that were the case why didn't take the metal with them? Also how did they get down that far to build anyways with just basic materials; we need special equipment to just reach those areas, let alone survive...
I dunno, of all of the Degasi crew the only survivors are:
1. The executive officer in charge of the profitable Mongolian mining operation
2. His son, augmented with expensive technology specifically suited for survival
3. An experienced mercenary hired by said officer, who has contacts for laundering stolen goods
Hmm, yes... I sense a conspiracy afoot!
Perhaps they didn't have the same amount and/or advanced type of tech that the Aurora was supplied with.
Also, it seems to me that they probably didn't have a fabricator that was capable of producing the large amount of supplies that we have...
It either wasn't working properly or it crapped out on them early on in their stay...
And they weren't able to fix it.
Remember also, that according to their own logs, they were dealing with frequent really bad weather that we haven't encountered yet in our short stay so far.
It wasn't that they were "dumb", it was that they had rotten luck.
More to your original point, I can't really understand why they would build bases so deep in the JSC and DGR. The PDA entries we find indicate they had just enough salvage to build their island bases with some planters; if that were the case why didn't take the metal with them? Also how did they get down that far to build anyways with just basic materials; we need special equipment to just reach those areas, let alone survive...
I dunno, of all of the Degasi crew the only survivors are:
1. The executive officer in charge of the profitable Mongolian mining operation
2. His son, augmented with expensive technology specifically suited for survival
3. An experienced mercenary hired by said officer, who has contacts for laundering stolen goods
Hmm, yes... I sense a conspiracy afoot!
Yeah the water filtration machine can be scanned in the Jelly Shroom Caves. You scan it like you do with the observatory and multipurpose room whereby you scan them and because they are a complete build you don't have to scan it again.
In summary in the Jelly shroom caves it's the whole machine which they were using within the first part of the base. And it isn't a fragment you just have to scan it once.
Well we are led to believe that it is because Marguerit persuaded Paul and Bart to go down there. But like I said it did seem quite dumb. Or at least I would expect there to be an alternative reason.
I can understand why Marguerit wanted to go, probably because of the adventure and excitement hence she is the one to institute it. But, with limited resources and due to how dangerous both biomes are you would expect them to have decided on a safer location.
That contradicts everything you said though. Think about it the amount of materials we need to produce a seamoth/prawn/cyclops capable of getting that deep. Well it is a lot of materials.
Secondly, we use their bases for the majority of our basic base building. Examples include, MPR, Water filtration unit, Observatory, bulkhead, spot light, exterior/interior growbeds, a lot of misc stuff like beds which in hindsight are actually useful if we were doing a real life simulation.
Basically from the PDA's we get them saying oh I've checked out a place X times deep. And suddenly they have the supplies to build down there, and not once did either of them go, actually this is too dangerous until it was too late.
Finally, it would have made more sense if they could have made some sort of submarine, maybe not cyclops material but still good nevertheless. Living in there would require a lot less materials, because they would have had to make a equivalent to get down to these locations. Well, at least that is defintiely the case for Deep Grand Reef as it is way too deep for air tanks to allow you to get down to that level and is too much for the basic depths of the seamoth and cyclops. It would be possible if they created a few prawn suits as their base depth is capable, but again like you said at they crash landed 10 years ago, so if the prawn didn't exist anything other technology wouldn't be as advanced.
"It wasn't that they were "dumb", it was that they had rotten luck." Like I said the reason they left the island wasn't dumb, I mentioned the lack of food but yes the weather as well. But where they chose to set up their bases, now that was definitely dumb. The Grassy Plateous, Sparce Reef, Safe Shallows would have all been crossed as you need to get through the first 2 to get to the Jelly Shroom Caves, and then after that a quick search and you would find the safe shallows. Yet they decided to take on the most challenging of biomes. Even if they had built in the Grand Reef rather than the Deep Grand Reef which is pretty safe other than the warpers.
As for the Safe Shallows, there's a reasonable(-ish) explanation for that. With sufficiently bad weather, the sea state could've gotten pretty violent. At State 9, you're talking waves over 14 meters high, and the safe shallows would've been anything but. You'd've had violent rip currents and undertows, and the shallowest parts would be getting uncovered and pounded by breakers repeatedly. Any diving in that area would've been incredibly hazardous, to say nothing of trying to set up some kind of base. The bad sea state would've driven many of the normal residents of the shallows deeper for safety, which means moderately deep areas like the Plateaus would've been teeming with Stalkers, Sandsharks, and non-predatory fish just trying to stay out of the way of everybody else, so that would've been dicey, too. But there's no excuse for diving for the center of the planet like they did except for glory-seeker Margeurit pushing them into it.
What doesn't make sense, and really can't, is why they left four full bases behind. If they were really so strapped for materials that they salvaged the Degasi down to the last rivet, they should've been deconstructing and moving their resources with them as they relocated. Otherwise, they shouldn't've had the materials necessary to build those bases. That's the real flaw in the whole scenario. Unless they found massive stores of materials somewhere - or went resource hunting crazy - that's one helluva plot hole.
I'll give you that with the Jelly Shroom Caves base. That is slightly understandable if the weather was having massive issues and causing stalkers to flee into the Grassy Plataeus. But if that was the case then they would have to pass them anyway since the Jelly Shroom Caves are found in the Grassy Plataeus. So again does it make any sense not really. Like Crab Snakes do quite a bit of damage to the seamoth. Stalkers do no damage and sandsharks do slight damage. So the reality is they wouldn't be able to attack a sea base. But I understand that the weather could be a potential risk.
That aside. It's the deep grand reef I don't understand. By the sounds of things they didn't have that many materials. So whether they had enough for a base doesn't really matter there is nothing in the PDA to explain that they had enough materials to make a cyclops or a similar vessle that would allow them to travel that deep. The Marguerit motive and ability to bully the others, makes sense but the ability to make a base down there well there is almost no chance with the information we have gotten.
"That's the real flaw in the whole scenario. Unless they found massive stores of materials somewhere - or went resource hunting crazy - that's one helluva plot hole"
it really is. It takes hours to find metal salavage let alone finding singular titaniums from the limestone rocks in the safe shallows. The only thing could make sense is if they had made a prawn suit, which doesn't really require that much materials and then mined them in the bloodkelp or something. But you know the way the planet is designed, we are incredibly lucky with where we land, so much was against there favor yet they still managed to do the impossible.
Paul is an old man. Bart is not allowed by his father to do anything risky. That leaves Marguerit to do all the swimming, resource gathering and scouting. She found a key before they left the island. It was her idea to settle into the Jelly Shroom Cave. She may have been to the Mountain Island and got an estimate for the other facilities and was trying to push the others out and deeper to look for them. Paranoid as she was, she didn't tell either of them what she was doing or planning to do and what she saw.
In the end, the leviathan attack screwed everything up and led to their demise before they could achieve anything more.
I thought that was refering to the crabsquids and warpers tbh. He clearly doesn't know anything about the carar bacteria just that they are infected with it.
In regards to resources, yes it is possible that they managed to find them. But in regards to that then they should probably have destroyed or broken seamoths or prawns or something around the Deep Grand Reef base.
In regards where they ended up.I just don't think Paul, knowing his character would have stayed in the Deep Grand Reef. Bart might have stayed for a while but I still think he would have come to his senses and would have scouted out for someplace safer.
I think maybe more information needs to be given. A few Seamoths broken around the grand reef, a few more data entries maybe explaining that Marguerit found the large amount of resources needed to get that far deep including a few pressure compensators.
Who says that the Precursors were entirely wiped out when Baat (Bart) was separated? They could have very well have met some Precursors, who didn't trust them, pushed them out of the deeper areas where they were exploring, and they were forced to settle in the DGR. Then, Baat left the group, returned to the Floating Island, and was picked off by Warpers or Cave Crawlers. All the while, the escaped Dragon killed Marguerit and Paal.
I think it makes sense to me.
They then moved to the DGR for even further research. I recall reading some PDA data saying one of them had brought a presumably dead leviathan which soon woke up and killed all (3?) of them.
Moral of the story: Leviathans can and will go all Jesus on your @ss.
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Ok, the deep grand reef base isn't as bad of an idea as it sounds. WHEN IT WAS ADDED, there was a passage to the lost river (it's gone now). Maybe, they knew of it, and were going to explore it, but never got the chance to? And maybe, they did - but they barely made it out alive? Did the PDA say what kind of Leviathan it was they caught? If not, was it a ghost Leviathan ? this is more likely than a sea dragon passing throught the DGR.
Given all the precursors released carar 990 years prior, and you catch it in about A FREAKING DAY, they'd all be dead.
Also - quick theory - we know the precursors were not the nicest guys around. We know they created warpers. The warpers look somewhat like the main idea of precursors ( source) - so what if the precursors created the warpers by gene - modifing OTHER PRECURSORS, trying to make them immune? Just wondering.
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Ok, the deep grand reef base isn't as bad of an idea as it sounds. WHEN IT WAS ADDED, there was a passage to the lost river (it's gone now). Maybe, they knew of it, and were going to explore it, but never got the chance to? And maybe, they did - but they barely made it out alive? Did the PDA say what kind of Leviathan it was they caught? If not, was it a ghost Leviathan ? this is more likely than a sea dragon passing throught the DGR.
Anyway - From a story telling way the irrationality of their behaviour works... you ask 'what insanity would drive them ever deeper?' and 'why am I following in their footsteps?'
It works well, and it would work less well if they had an intelligible motivation for going deeper.