Story will ruin game

QuillShotQuillShot Sweden Join Date: 2015-12-29 Member: 210565Members
in Subnautica General Discussion
Just saying. It's still a sandbox game and it really isn't cut out to have an "endgame". It's more made for endless progression and thus should be developed so.
Instantly lost 90% of my hope for this game when i saw "leave the planet" after finishing the story...WTF...

It's so much better to expand the world and make more progression instead of leaving the damn planet.

Think about it. What the hell is the reason to even explore if you make a linear objective that includes leaving everything behind? Think about it for 1 second and you should understand how stupid it is. Yeah you are probably educated devs but just believe me, a linnear objective with an end will not work.
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  • QuillShotQuillShot Sweden Join Date: 2015-12-29 Member: 210565Members
    Look at terraria. It's kind of the same in the way that it's made as a progressive sandbox game. They DID also have an end game by defeating moon lord, but they had many years to add ALLOT of content before doing so, and also had good replay value, much because it is'nt 100% repetitive, but dont forget that they had random generation while this game has a handmade world, thus will have less replay value and thats why having an end game story that will end the game will remove the will to explore and replay.
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  • DaveyNYDaveyNY Schenectady, NY Join Date: 2016-08-30 Member: 221903Members
    edited January 2017
    IN YOUR OPINION

    Folks should really stop stating their Opinions as Facts.

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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    In his opinion it is a fact though :trollface:
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  • MyrmMyrm Sweden Join Date: 2015-08-16 Member: 207210Members
    edited January 2017
    Oh dear there are a few people feeling a bit precious about this game isn't there. We are all entitled to give our thoughts and feelings on the game. If you can't handle this then perhaps you shouldn't come here.

    I see where Quillshot is coming from even if i don't agree with him, I'll still respect his viewpoint.
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  • DaveyNYDaveyNY Schenectady, NY Join Date: 2016-08-30 Member: 221903Members
    edited January 2017
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    In his opinion it is a fact though :trollface:

    NON SEQUITUR...

    DOES NOT COMPUTE...



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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited January 2017
    Myrm wrote: »
    Oh dear there are a few people feeling a bit precious about this game isn't there. We are all entitled to give our thoughts and feelings on the game. If you can't handle this then perhaps you shouldn't come here.

    I see where Quillshot is coming from even if i don't agree with him, I'll still respect his viewpoint.

    He's certainly entitled to his opinion, but I've said it once and I'll say it again... Some opinions should be made fun off.

    He's pulling "facts" from thin air as if he can see the future by comparing it to other games, which are quite different in their design goals sooooooo :D


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    To add to this, the only thing which I kinda agree on is the lack of random generation of the world. If could've* been done using nodes, as in entry and exit points for certain areas which are all the same in terms of how they connect to each other. So you can have a predesigned area, which connects to prefab areas which are randomly positioned.

    Kinda a random generation of handcrafted prefabs with handcrafted main areas... That could give "replay value" a bit of a boost without losing the sexy design of areas, true procedural generation has trouble with (bugs/overlap etc...)


    The thing I just don't see as an issue is the story or the "END", it's not as if that shizzle is mandatory. You can openworld it all you want, so to speak :D



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    Emphasis on could, I mean I dunno how they did the vis handling in Unity, maybe that stuff is also handcrafted to tell the engine what and where to render the world...
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  • DrownedOutDrownedOut Habitat Join Date: 2016-05-26 Member: 217559Members
    edited January 2017
    Myrm wrote: »
    Oh dear there are a few people feeling a bit precious about this game isn't there. We are all entitled to give our thoughts and feelings on the game. If you can't handle this then perhaps you shouldn't come here.

    I see where Quillshot is coming from even if i don't agree with him, I'll still respect his viewpoint.

    Cute. How exactly does OP respect viewpoints by phrasing their subjective thoughts as objective and doomsday-like? When they're already aware their opinion is not fact? I mean, we were all doing fine in the other thread despite a 50/50 disagreement....
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  • DaveyNYDaveyNY Schenectady, NY Join Date: 2016-08-30 Member: 221903Members
    Myrm wrote: »
    Oh dear there are a few people feeling a bit precious about this game isn't there. We are all entitled to give our thoughts and feelings on the game. If you can't handle this then perhaps you shouldn't come here.

    I see where Quillshot is coming from even if i don't agree with him, I'll still respect his viewpoint.

    I've always been "precious", so I'm entitled to go anywhere I want and say anything I want because in my mind that's a fact...

    If you can't handle that, then perhaps you should ignore my posts...


    Isn't that just a special way to start or continue a conversation.



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  • Calarand77Calarand77 lurking in general forums Join Date: 2016-01-22 Member: 211786Members
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  • ResolutionBlazeResolutionBlaze The Dunes Join Date: 2016-04-06 Member: 215392Members
    Minecraft, the most successful sandboxes to date, has an end game.
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  • ResolutionBlazeResolutionBlaze The Dunes Join Date: 2016-04-06 Member: 215392Members
    DrownedOut wrote: »
    Myrm wrote: »
    Oh dear there are a few people feeling a bit precious about this game isn't there. We are all entitled to give our thoughts and feelings on the game. If you can't handle this then perhaps you shouldn't come here.

    I see where Quillshot is coming from even if i don't agree with him, I'll still respect his viewpoint.

    Cute. How exactly does OP respect viewpoints by phrasing their subjective thoughts as objective and doomsday-like? When they're already aware their opinion is not fact? I mean, we were all doing fine in the other thread despite a 50/50 disagreement....

    What does the matter in which the opinion is projected matter?
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  • DaveyNYDaveyNY Schenectady, NY Join Date: 2016-08-30 Member: 221903Members
    Last time I "projected matter" was when I over imbibed on Tequila at a stag-party.

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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    ResolutionBlaze wrote: »
    Minecraft, the most successful sandboxes to date, has an end game.

    Well technically it was already successful during alpha days, which was nothing more than survival in a procedurally generated world, without multiplayer :tongue:
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  • JamezorgJamezorg United Kingdom Join Date: 2016-05-15 Member: 216788Members
    I'm tired of saying this.

    You have to explore to find where the story goes. The only time we're ever given a precise indicator to where we need to go is when the Sunbeam gets demolished. Even when you try to shut down the gun and it tells you you need to go deeper there are some very vague instructions as to where you need to go.

    And yea, Warpers only appear in Grand Reef and below (and around the Gun, so...) and they tell you "right, I'm going the right way for the story". They're showing you the way, not pushing you forward.

    So, yea. There will be incentive to explore. You also need to collect upgrades to go deeper, and you need to explore to get those parts.
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  • DrownedOutDrownedOut Habitat Join Date: 2016-05-26 Member: 217559Members
    ResolutionBlaze wrote: »
    DrownedOut wrote: »
    Myrm wrote: »
    Oh dear there are a few people feeling a bit precious about this game isn't there. We are all entitled to give our thoughts and feelings on the game. If you can't handle this then perhaps you shouldn't come here.

    I see where Quillshot is coming from even if i don't agree with him, I'll still respect his viewpoint.

    Cute. How exactly does OP respect viewpoints by phrasing their subjective thoughts as objective and doomsday-like? When they're already aware their opinion is not fact? I mean, we were all doing fine in the other thread despite a 50/50 disagreement....

    What does the matter in which the opinion is projected matter?

    Because a line like "Think about it for 1 second and you should understand how stupid it is." not only directly insults' the devs' intelligence but also anyone who does not agree with OP. I've looked at that line many times now (whatever that's worth in seconds) and I still don't understand despite that I, apparently, "should". Don't get me wrong, I'm not insulted, but conducive it sure is not.

    Plus, Myrm's gatekeeper-ish post oddly seems to blame an overemotional response on people replying to OP; OP who literally chose to name this topic "Story will ruin game". So I was replying to that too.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    That and thread has similarities to clickbait :D
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  • DaveyNYDaveyNY Schenectady, NY Join Date: 2016-08-30 Member: 221903Members
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    That and thread has similarities to clickbait :D

    Shhh...
    Don't ruin the fun.

    B)
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  • NachoboyNachoboy Join Date: 2016-12-30 Member: 225727Members
    If you don't like story, simply don't do it. You're not forced to do any of the story.
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  • SkopeSkope Wouldn't you like to know ;) Join Date: 2016-06-07 Member: 218212Members
    edited January 2017
    We have a lot of opinion debates on this forum, don't we?
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  • TenebrousNovaTenebrousNova England Join Date: 2015-12-23 Member: 210206Members
    Skope wrote: »
    We have a lot of opinion debates on this forum, don't we?

    Yes, it's pretty tiresome.
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  • JamezorgJamezorg United Kingdom Join Date: 2016-05-15 Member: 216788Members
    Skope wrote: »
    We have a lot of opinion debates on this forum, don't we?

    Opinion is very specific terminology; as such I would not use the word to describe this.

    But yea, there's too many of these.I'll stop fuelling the fire, I'll refrain from taking part in any in the future, I'm just sick of people saying story isn't the way to go. :)
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    TenebrousNova wrote: »
    Skope wrote: »
    We have a lot of opinion debates on this forum, don't we?

    Yes, it's pretty tiresome.

    That's your opinion is it :tongue:
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  • RequiemfangRequiemfang Join Date: 2015-02-22 Member: 201492Members
    guess he's one of those 1% out of the 99% of players that aren't appeased by the developers and how much blood, sweat and tears they've put into the game up to this point. As the old saying goes, can't please everyone, there's always that small percentage of unhappy folks who hate this or that.
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  • subnauticambriansubnauticambrian U.S. Join Date: 2016-01-19 Member: 211679Members
    Jamezorg wrote: »
    Skope wrote: »
    We have a lot of opinion debates on this forum, don't we?

    Opinion is very specific terminology; as such I would not use the word to describe this.

    But yea, there's too many of these.I'll stop fuelling the fire, I'll refrain from taking part in any in the future, I'm just sick of people saying story isn't the way to go. :)

    So... what you're saying is that these opinions are not "good quality" opinions?

    :trollface:

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  • 999Antonio3849999Antonio3849 Emperor Aquarium Join Date: 2016-10-23 Member: 223324Members
    Umm has anyone said that the story is like miencraft's story (I play that too) its optional even though *SPOILERS* the PDA says the virus will kill YOU in five weeks it dosn't do anything ecxept be cosmetic
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  • 999Antonio3849999Antonio3849 Emperor Aquarium Join Date: 2016-10-23 Member: 223324Members
    oh and make you feel like you NEED to beat the game
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  • iknowaghostloliknowaghostlol lakewood, CO Join Date: 2017-01-07 Member: 226273Members
    i agree subn is a survival/exploration game not a story/objective game.and before people start hating on my opinion.......i think for the most part the story is great (not all of it) but im satisfied with reading the story on my PDA and experiencing the story through exploration...this game needs to be what it is now which is: 95% survival/exploration. 5% story/objective.
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