Its Not Over Until The Fat Lady Sings

Error404 · January 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Turning the Tables on a 3 Hived Kharaa</div> How To Win when the Kharaa have 3 Hives!

This is not a new tactic, infact I've been in many games where its been used to great effect, so here goes..

The Situation

The Kharaa have successfully taken 2 hives and your marine base is under heavy attack, by this stage your marines are so tied up at the base that they are probably taking the 3 hive. Soon you see Onos knocking at the door, and it looks like game over.. but is it?

The Solution: Sneak Out

There are several ways of sneaking out, one of those is for the commander to issue jetpacks to everyone in the vane hope that one of those marines will make it to safety out of the base, or the other way is to just find a vent and crawl out by yourself. Once you are out, you have to try to get as close as possible to a hive, which means that you may have to leap a few offensive towers, chances are that the last taken hive will be least defended, that might be the one to get to.

Rebuilding

If the Commander has been wise, and not decided to spam the seiged marines with HA and HMGs, they will probably have enough resources to begin building another CC somewhere else. At this point in the game, the hives will be fairly deserted, most of the Kharaa players will be busy seiging the marine base, and most likely none of them will be respawning, so if a marine manages to get free, then they can call the commander to build a CC where they are.

Build Order

Once the CC has been build near the hive, the original CC and its commander will probably be killed seconds afterwards. This is where the lone marine gets inside the new CC and builds a portal. Once the portal is built marines will start spawing back in. As the marines spawn back in the aliens will be alerted of the relocation and begin searching the map, so it is wise to warn your teammates not to attack any chambers or hives to give your location away.

Try to get marines to sneak in each of the hives, this also increases your chance of survival again, and build a TF and seige in each one. If possible try to coordinate the building so the seiges are completed at the same time, and begin bombarding at the same time. Immediately, all three hives will be simultaneously attacked by seiges.

The aliens will be confused as all three of their hives are being attacked and will find it hard to coordinate themselves to know which one to save. If the seige has been placed near the heart of each hive, the seiged Kharaa chambers at the entrances will stop the Kharaa getting into their own hive.

Brass_Pigeon · January 2003

omg hard one to pull off, but I would loooooove to experience it!!!

Mouse · January 2003

I've done it twice as a commander, once on Bast and once on Nothing.

When I did it on Bast 2 or 3 marines had just taken the engine hive so I dropped the CC in the little hole on top of the engine. I think what made it really sneaky is the fact that I ordered everyone to stay at the current base and fight like the game depended on it instead of running off to the engine hive
(Game extended 20 minutes)

But the time I did it on nothing was a real classic. We were stuck in base and Onos had started coming in. I suddenly remembered a room accessable only by vents just south of Viaduct that I had run through as a skulk earlier. I equiped my best marine with a HMG and a jetpack and sent him there with orders not to shoot anything. He died the first time he tried but I sent him out again and this time he went a different way and got there unnoticed. When he got there we built a CC, a TF, partially built 3 sieges at the northern end of the room, 2-4 turrets and a phase gate, after the phase gate went up one or two marines came through but the rest kept fighting for the base, unaware that we almost had a secondary base going. Then we finished building the sieges which locked onto the hive immediatly. Next we built 2 IPs, a Prototype lab and an arms lab (in retrospect building the Prototype lab and arms lab wasn't a good idea).

When Marines started spawning in the vent room I sent them on scouting missions, after a while calls for medpack started to filter through. after looking at the RP situation (2 RPs) I uttered this "If anyone needs a medpack, just shut up and die". I soon sent 4 marines through the vents to the cargo hive. since the defences there didn't allow us to build a tf (not to mention we couldn't afford it) I ordered them to fire on the hive. Unfortuantly they all died without even taking out any aliens. Not long after The aliens figured out where we were and started throwing everything they had at us, within 10 minutes we were all but defeated. But luckily I had one more idea, luckily for us the aliens wanted to kill us all as quickly as possible so they had focused their attack on the IPs, the TF and the CC and were basically ignoring the Observatory. I waited until the last moment possible and then activated the beacon, which spawned all the dead marines back at out original base which was surprisingly empty.

I dropped a CC in it's usual place and then hopped out of my CC so someone else could hop in the new one. And it was the marine startgame all over again but this time the guy who jumped in the CC while I was dead stayed there. The aliens found us quicker this time and soon Onos were decimating our base and not much later we lost. While I was dead after I placed the CC in the vents I was almost laughing, but when I did it a second time I was literally having trouble staying in my chair.
First base movement (Game extended 30 minutes)
Second base Movement (Game extended 15 minutes)

Niether of these glorious losses would have been possible without -/AUS/- Doner, one of the best marines I've ever commanded

Error404 · January 2003

I wish more Commanders would pay attention outside of the base when it is under heavy attack, theres been so many times, when I've managed to get outside the base and inside a hive, and quietly demanded they build a CC, sound familiar? Gets so lonely sometimes when nobody seems to be listening!

T_RAT · January 2003

Yes it is a hard one to pull of sometimes.
But if they only have to 2 hives and 1 sneaks out and build cc in a seluded spot. pref a vent, then u can siege it then and there and u r back in the game if u can destroy there fades.

Error404 · January 2003

It is difficult to pull off, does take alot of luck, but even if you're not successful you can still be a pain up the **** for the opposition.

Dadden · January 2003

I have to tell u how easy it is to take out a hive when u are a single marine. Its was on bast, i remeber it like yesterday.We were losing big time, we had lost our last hive, we had nothing but some upgrades. I was a marine. A marine on a mission. The commander had entrusted me with an jetpack and a HMG. At that moment a plan arose in my head. WHAT IF, i go behind enemy lines and kill a hive. So my mission started. I went through the vent maze and found myself below the feedwater hive.they had some OCs but i easily flew over them. NOW i was sitting behind the hive with my HMG fully loadedwith 150 bullets and some extra clips to go with it. Now i go all crazy and <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'> the hive. I empty 2 full 150 clips and to my suprise the hive just crumbles. TOO DAMN EASY. I am happy that the commander gave me the JP and HMG. So please to all commanders, if u get a guy asking for a HMG and JP and he?s saying he got a plan to kill a hive listen to him.worked for me, might work for u. We lost anyway but it was damn funny to kill that hive and stopping them from getting onos , for a while at least.

Error404 · January 2003

Yeah Dadden, if there were two other guys doing the same thing as you in the other 2 hives, then it would just be too confusing for the aliens. Attacking 2 or 3 hives simultaneously is the best way to do it.

Gargamel · January 2003

Yeah! I also had a nice comm who gave me jetpack and hmg, and was able to kill 1 hive alone. We lost in the end, but as you said, if we had some sneaky marines in every hive it could be a humiliating covert ops defeat for the aliens <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>
Its also more secure to fly and hide a lonely marine than make those building sounds at locations where aliens dwell, and also its cheaper than a siege base which 1 fade could chomp all by itself <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'>

Gargamel · January 2003

Oh I forgot to tell you about the THE MOST HUMILIATING Defeat of ALiens I have ever encountered.
We were Marines and somehow we lost the CC(!!!!). Aliens had already second hive BUT no heavy defences anywhere! So we just screamed to eachother to go through our portal at the double res and attack first left to the one hive. We went here for some 2-3 lives and took it down. Then we went right and attacked the second hive. At the end, we had more than 700 res and yes, there are newplayer aliens out there <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'> so next time you re facing a defeat remember that they might be new players who only can shoot good <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'> ok, maybe it will be a lie for 99% of the time, but hey! it gives marines more courage! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

FlatlineUTD · January 2003

I've only been able to pull this off once as commander. Damn, it was satisfying! Takes a lot of luck as well though.

Narfwak · January 2003

It's really hard, but possible. The big problem is getting to another hive and moving your base there. The best way is to leave some people defending and send one or two jetpackers through vents to the closest, least protected hive. Then, build a phase gate and blow the hive to smithereens. Build new base (CC, IPs and all), then possibly recycle the old base if it looks doomed. I've done this once, then played a game that went back and forth for about five hours until the server crashed from so many entities. Damn, that game was fun. I'm sure the aliens hated us though, as we were just so hard to kill.

BelrickNZ · January 2003

The problem is rebasing and hive killing doesnt take out the lerks/gorgs/fades/onos still alive does it?

Everytime so far that ive seen theyve been more than enuff to kill any rebuild.

Shadowz · January 2003

rebuilding can win but what it require seldom exist in public server and team
1) good comm
2) cooperative marine
3) good location and luck

i was defending the main base wif hmg and ha against fade and the comm say " we have second base at engine so delay time " and after this all marine instead of guarding main went to port engine ---> wat the **** so this giv off our location wif 7 marine runing to it so wat you say about these marine <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'>??

Morose · January 2003

What's funniest is when the aliens have all upgraded to attack forms with no gorges left, and you manage to take out multiple hives simultaneously. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Fade_01 says: "woohoo! cc almost down"
*beep, beep, beep*
Fade_01 says: "wtf? i'm dying?!"
Fade_02 says: "oh crap! someone go gorge!"
Lerk_01 starts gestating

xLerk_01
xFade_01
xFade_02

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Lucid · January 2003

I remember a game (ns_hera) where we lost our CC but we had control of 2 hives. We thought we were done and just kept rushing archiving in a desperate attempt to cause a little damage. But we started to realize that the enemy wasn't building anything, no hives, no chambers, nothing. I think what happened was that before we lost our comm chair we may have taken out all their res nodes and no one had enough to build another. Can you still get res with no nodes? Anyway it was great, we just kept spawning, grouping up and running to archiving. We had to get into the heavily chambered datacore alpha, get up the elevator, then get into the hive. Each wave had like 5 people and 1 would make it up the elevator, take a few shots at the hive then get chompped on. But we kept pushing and could have won it, but they somehow got enough resource for some res towers and it was downhill from there. Maybe they recycled? I dunno, it was the most fun I've had playing NS. What an awesome game! If you remember playing that game post here.

Its Not Over Until The Fat Lady Sings

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