Skulk hit registration
Butane45
Join Date: 2013-07-29 Member: 186444Members
Join Date: 2013-07-29 Member: 186444Members
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This is a typical case of game design failing to account for technical limitations.
Im sure many thinking things like "Damn, i could have the same kill/death ratio but the hit registration is so horrible"
Its like ingame: Its always the coms fault, not the marine having zero gamesense and and zero aim.
The game has performance issues for sure, sometimes people playing on horrible 5 tick servers.
These two things can have an huge impact on the tracking abilitys of an marine/skulk.
But the hit registration itself is working fine in 95% of the situations
You're doubting the sincerity of the posters, and that will make the discussion go nowhere. I'm pretty sure NS2 people can tell if the error is their fault or not, as you have to if you don't want to rage 100% of the time played (and in other games too, that's just more prevalent in NS2 IMO). Also they point out a difference in one version to another, it's not like a new player comming and saying it's broken (it may be true but may be biased).
Also, you should be saying that for you / in your opinion hit registration works 95% of the time. That's like saying "the game itself doesn't suffer performance issues 95% of the time". While it may be true for you, it isn't necessarily for everyone.
And i can tell you that i'm often killed by marines after going behind a wall or the very instant i see him (that's why many aliens constantly move while bitting an extractor, to compensate for the delay).
the devs have basically bricked a game that wasn't completely terrible before
We experienced similar, yet infrequent occurrences in testing but this was with a jittery server on top of a now fixed bug where more than 15 players created network hitching. We need reproduction on video. Be sure to have r_stats and net_stats enabled when recording.
That being said it was tricky for a couple of hours then after that I just got on with it and now its all gravy.
Also, top tip: Try biting someone who isn't shooting you in the face, the super skulk has been dead for a long time now guys so adapt and survive, ambush or die... Oh wait, Natural Selection? How fitting...
How am I going to show the difference between before and after without footage from before?
What is a video going to show when the game doesn't even have feedback about whether a hit was landed?
edit:
maybe the 2nd part is answerable by showing an extended cut and assuming some level of marine health + armor
We don't need to see any footage from before?...?
Just record your bites missing on film.. no matter how its occurring. (Damage numbers enabled helps, even if they are showing at the bottom of the screen /wrong position)
Honestly, the way you've been banging on for the past few months I'm surprised you haven't packed up and left long ago.
If you're going to build a disadvantage into an engine, compensate for it. If you know collision based attacks and melee attacks are going to be on average 1/3rd a second off, make them easier to land, if you know while dodging an alien is going to be 1/3rd a second late in response, or getting behind the marine, or getting around a corner, tweak with that in mind.
Anyone whose been playing online for a long time (especially in source) recognizes what's going on and probably knows a bit of why, it's a weakness of the engine and a system that is slowly becoming obsolete as worldwide connections get better. So for now, game design needs to compensate for it, not encourage its exploitation.
I recently followed a marine as they tried to run back to base, I was literally bouncing off their back as I swiped continuously, The marine was a green so he had no idea what was happening behind him, he was just running straight as an arrow back to the armory. I kept going just to LOL at how bad it was, I would say I attempted 15 swipes with 0 hits. I was blinking to catch up to them then walking behind them.
I then hit ` followed by QUIT then ENTER and I refuse to play this game again until this is fixed. Just terrible.
I will attempt to produce a video of this effect for you.
Just curious what pop was the server? I notice it happening the most in 24 player servers when it's full.
I've had that, except it was pre-patch. Followed the guy and swiped 5 times as he ran then turned around in a straight line (so he slowed down). Are you sure it wasn't in a high pop/low performance server?
As marine; I noticed a major hit registration fix. I seem to hit everything, one even called out hax (i was so proud
Yes there is lag caused
-By network (no one have the same connexion/distance etc...)
-The NS2 server software itself and / or slow servers
Yes :
-the marine movement improved (strafe jump)
-the AV is useless and the default vision makes it difficult to track in engagement (melee weapon)
This is not one thing but all these things together that makes it harder to kill marines.
The "bear trap bite" could be one solution. if not i would vote for :
-AV last version return (green), with some improvement, or the moded one with some improvements too.
-More life / armor for skulk. But we know what it's gonna introduce isn't it (NS 1.04) ?
That happened to me on a non-full 16 player server without performance issues. It's due to collisions and ridiculously short melee cones, although server performance can make it even more evident with rubberbanding.
And latency generally doesn't go down because pretty much: nobody cares about it that much other than gamers and technology focuses on improving bandwidth instead. This is why there is a maximal amount of "twitchiness" that can reasonably work in a game played on the internet.